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Expose And Reject The Teachings and Methods of Church Organization Con-Artists and Charlatans

Jerald Finney
May, 2016

This article concerns those who falsely claim legal expertise in the area of church/state relations and ends with Bible justification for standing against forces of darkness which invade the arena of church organization in America.

A remnant of believers in America seek to do all things the Bible way, God’s way. One perplexing and somewhat complex matter for those believers concerns the organization of a New Testament church. Believers who study and believe the New Testament quickly come across passages which make clear that Christ wants his churches to be under Him only. Some of those believers, including some of God’s good pastors, seek help in organizing churches. Tragically, many come in contact with and rely on charismatic pseudo-Biblical/legal experts.

Truly, a believer must be well-studied in both the relevant Bible and legal principles in order to intelligently and correctly organize a church such that she remains under the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ (Scripture) only. Knowing the Bible without true legal competence is a recipe for disaster. For example, the Ecclesiastical Law Center alleges Bible as opposed to legal solutions to church organization, but due to legal incompetence organizes churches legally, not Scripturally.

Jethro on the Beverly Hillbillies often stated that he wanted to be a brain surgeon. Some pastors are wannabe “lawyers,” some even going so far as to claim lawyer status even though they never produce any reliable proof of such and even though a diligent examination of their attempts to keep churches under the authority of God and the Scriptures only belie their claim. Of course, few if any believers have the time to check out what they are told about such matters and many follow people who are skilled “Christian” con-artists and charlatans. Most get to liking and even loving their misguided mentors and many lash out at anyone who would try to discredit them. It is hard to confront uncomfortable or damnable truths about those one loves.

Complicating the matter is the fact that many “Christian” lawyers either prove to be incompetent or are trained in the law but not studied in the Bible. Their standard for all matters in faith and practice is not the Bible. Their authority for all matters is the law. As they amass their earthly fortunes, they teach and apply legal, not Bible, principles. For example, David Gibbs relies on the Internal Revenue Service, not the Bible, definition of “church,” and instructs churches to become legal, not spiritual or New Testament entities. These spiritual/legal con-artists, while deceiving and being followed by multitudes, also cause some to distrust all lawyers without further examination.

For years, this lawyer shied away from confronting false teachers. For example, he knew for many years that the Ecclesiastical Law Center (“ELC”) was not qualified to deal with church and state matters even though they falsely claim to have “Bible” as opposed to “legal” solutions to church organization. His attitude was that it is up to believers seeking help to sort out and apply good versus bad advice; and, additionally, he did not wish to attack the ELC because he knew and liked one of their leaders who spoke at his church on the subject of church organization several years before he delved into an extended study of Bible (first), and historical (second), principles and methods of church organization. After completing that study, he studied law to assure that he correctly navigated around the legal landscape in a manner which did not inadvertently result in organization of a church as a legal, as opposed to spiritual only, entity.

However, after coming in contact with many of good men of God who were deceived and who parroted the ridiculous rhetoric, the false teachings, and the foolish and unlearned questions of the ELC and after witnessing relentless and untrue ELC attacks against others over a period of years, this author finally took the time to do an examination of the ELC and their teachings. The result was an online booklet, Ecclesiastical Law Center Exposed.

The corporation sole and Internal Revenue Code § 508 method of church organization is another scam used by skilled but unethical charlatans to deceive the unwary. Critique of “Church Freedom and the Corporation Sole” Website exposes that fraudulent deception.

So far the message of this article to believers and churches seeking help in organizing New Testament churches is, “Beware of false teachers and unskilled pseudo-lawyers.” Do your homework. Look at qualifications and testimonies. Seek truth and apply it, even if you must confront false methods and teachings of others you love. Base all conclusions on Bible precepts and verifiable facts.

Now to the question, “Why is this article justified, under God?” What is the Bible basis for exposing deceivers? As soldiers of the Lord, one is to contend against the forces of darkness, to fight the good spiritual fight of faith. Only a few of many verses which support this conclusion are quoted:

Speaking of deceptions within the churches, Jude wrote: “Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ…. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities…. But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.” Jude 3-4, 8.

Ep.6.10-12As to Christ’s relationship with his churches, the Apostle Paul wrote: “Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.” Ephesians 5:25-27. Speaking to the church at Corinth, he said: “For I am jealous over you  with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” 2 Corinthians 11:2-3.

Fight the good fight. Keep the faith. Expose false methods and teaching in all matters, including the preeminent  area of church organization. Make sure you get it right. Is not the Lamb of God worthy of your diligence efforts to keep his body pure and undefiled?

Church Submission to Christ – A Works Agenda?

On January 19, 2016, I received the following e-mail from a brother in Christ. My reply follows his e-mail below.

Mr. Finney,

I am deacon in a nondenominational church and in the past few years GOD has brought the issue of church incorporation and many other matters before me regarding how we relate to government. Needless to say it has not been taught thoroughly.   When I presented the problem to the “board” last year it was quickly rejected by pastor and most of other deacons except for one as unimportant and was promoting a “works agenda”.   I have prayed about the issue and GOD has at least softened my pastors heart in regards to hearing what is involved in unincorporating.   Which brings me to thanking you for all the valuable information in scripture and otherwise  you have put together on this subject.

I do have question for you   In reading your material I keep running across the statement “Ultimately, fewer and fewer souls are saved because of this compromise.”

This strikes as false to me.  Please back up with scripture.

Fewer and fewer souls are not saved NOT as a result of a individuals or churches failure to present the gospel.   GOD has foreknowledge of who will believe and he is not limited to providing them with the way of salvation because of the failures of a church or individual.   That would violate his attributes of Omniscience and Omnipotence.  Did he not know from eternity past who would and would not believe?

No doubt we are to be a SALT and LIGHT and be prepared to give the GOSPEL when the opportunity arises.

Your brother in CHRIST

__________________

My Reply:

Dear Brother __________,

Thanks for your e-mail. It is always good to hear from a believer who loves the Lord and is sensitive to the word of God and his precepts, and seeks to promote those precepts in his church body. Thank you for your interest and concerns. You ask a very good question.

The Bible is my authority. I would rather believe the word of God than any of man’s interpretations. I have thoroughly considered the issue you bring up and bowed my thoughts to the mind of Christ, as stated in his word. I followed the directive in Isaiah 28.9-13:

“Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.  For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:  For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.  To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.”

So, according to Scripture, one is not to leave out some lines and some precepts. One is to begin in Genesis and read and study through Revelation to grow in knowledge and understanding of a doctrine. That is what I did. I considered all the relevant doctrines of Christ, taking in all of related Scripture, just believing what I read, without interpretation. Therefore, I could not distort or leave out those parts that did not agree with an interpretation. One cannot fully understand all that God has for us in his word. Therefore, it is best just to believe it all.

Now, please allow me to first address the response of your pastor and other deacons who feel that getting a church under Christ according to the precepts of God – their reply that doing so is a “works agenda.” That response shows a complete lack of understanding of vital Bible doctrines. I am reminded, first of Titus 2:14: “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.”

Let me now be more specific. As you probably know, I quote many verses concerning the matter of church order in my books. Let me just mention one here:

Ephesians 5:22-33  “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.”

Those verses show both the sovereignty of God and the free will of man. Those verses (and many other verses which I do not quote here) make clear the nature of the relationship and that churches are free to either honor or dishonor that relationship. God honors the relationship. The question is, “Will a church honor the relationship.” Should a church honor the relationship, she will be a “glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle,” since Christ will, without fail, honor the relationship. Christ gave himself for the church. The only question is whether a church will be subject to and give herself to Christ. A church is sanctified and cleansed ” with the washing of water by the word.” The church body is to get into the word of God, study the relevant precepts, and apply them in and to the body.

I surmise from your letter that the pastor and other deacons feel that believers are free, under God, to do whatever they decide to do as long as their motive is to do God’s work. Motive is important, but it can lead to heresy and even apostasy when God’s methods are not followed in doing God’s work. In fact, substituting man’s methods for God’s methods is the result of, at the very least, heresy. The Bible teaches that men are free to do whatever they want in regards to doing God’s work – they can choose to do things God’s way or they can choose to do things man’s way contrary to the ways of God. Of course, God desires that they follow his directions and not make up their own methodologies which are out of line with his word. You see, the method matters to God. I suggest listening to the sermon, “The Method Matters To God,” which can be accessed by going to the following webpage and scrolling down to sermons by Pastor Jason Cooley on the doctrine of the church

The Biblical Doctrine of the Church

The Biblical Doctrine of the Church

The Bible teaches, for the present time, the local autonomous spiritual body (church), not the universal visible or invisible church. There will be a universal visi…

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I believe in the sovereignty of God. I believe that the Bible makes clear that God is sovereign and that, as sovereign, he allows men to choose life or to choose death. There are many, many, many verses in the Bible that teach free will as there are that teach the sovereignty of God.

This is not a works doctrine, although it may be said to be in line with the word of God a works agenda. We are to work if we are saved, but we are not saved by our works. Faith is not a work. Repentance is not a work. Trusting Christ to save one from sin is the opposite of a work. Romans 4:5 “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”

I agree that God has foreknowledge. God knows who will choose life and who will choose death. Nevertheless, we see his warnings and pleas for man to repent and choose life throughout Scripture. We also see that he points out the consequences of loving him as opposed to rejecting him throughout Scripture. The Lord instructs believers in the New Testament to preach the Gospel to everyone. Likewise, we see that God tells us about heresy and apostasy and where it leads. See my articles on apostasy below.

Heresy and apostasy

Heresy and apostasy

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Church Incorporation, 501c3, Heresy, and Apostasy

Church Incorporation, 501c3, Heresy, and Apostasy

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Recent accelerated apostasy in the United States

Apostasy at the end of the church age

Apostasy at the end of the church age

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The apostasy of Israel and the apostasy of the church followed the same pattern and result(ed) in fewer and fewer coming to the Lord to the point that, eventually, in Israel, only a small remnant believed and followed God, his statutes and commandments; the point was reached where the only remedy available to God was judgment. The same is true of the church age – the apostasy has led to fewer and fewer coming to and following our Lord. God’s word explains what the results will be.

The Bible teaches that there are three steps in the downfall of a nation – religious apostasy, moral awfulness, and political anarchy. Romans 1.21-32, which gives the seven stages of Gentile world apostasy (verses 21-23) and the result of Gentile world apostasy (verses 24-32) demonstrate both the sovereignty of God and the free will of man.

Romans 1:21-32: “Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.  For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;  Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:  Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

May the Lord bless you as you seek to do his will.

For His Glory,
Brother Jerald Finney

 

Questions Which Reveal Whether One Is A Covenant Theologian

Jerald Finney
Copyright © November 22, 2015

Note. See Dispensational Theology versus Covenant Theology as well as the first four sections of God Betrayed/Separation of Church and State: The Biblical Principles and the American Application for an accurate explanation (not the perversions of the doctrine which many follow) of the origin, definition, etc. of the term “Dispensational Theology.”

3This short article gives questions to help the knowledgeable believer and the believer who wishes to become knowledgeable determine what he believes and why; specifically whether he is a Covenant Theologian, a Dispensational Theologian (both as defined in the article above) or some variation thereof.

Many more questions could be added, but these few will help one determine whether he believes Covenant Theology or some aspects of that theology. One who answers all the questions “yes” is a Covenant Theologian. Should you answer some questions yes and some questions no, you have inconsistent and mutually exclusive beliefs. Some of these questions are rather difficult and you may not be able to answer them with your present knowledge and understanding of the Bible and theology. If so, just skip those questions and answer the ones you do understand.

  1. Do you believe that the rules for church and state and for the Jewish religion-state are the same?
  2. Do you make important dispensational distinctions even though you view them as related to the unifying and underlying Covenant of Grace?
  3. Do you see the present struggle between good and evil terminated by the beginning of eternity at which point there will come catastrophe and divine judgment?
  4. Do you believe that the unifying principle for the philosophy of history is the Covenant of Grace?
  5. Do you believe that the redemption of the elect plus many other programs are all parts of God’s purpose for history?
  6. Are you convinced that Israel and the church are essentially the same?
  7. Do you believe in a nonliteral interpretation of Scripture, especially when interpreting prophecy?
  8. Are you amillennial?
  9. Do you believe that the church/state union (a one world church/state) will be achieved and will succeed in bringing peace to the earth before the return of Christ?
  10. Do you believe that the ultimate purpose of history is the glory of God through the redemption of the elect?
  11. Do you develop the Bible’s philosophy of history on the basis of two or three covenants: the Covenant of Redemption (some covenant theologians do not include this covenant), the Covenant of Works, and the Covenant of Grace? [Note. One definition of “philosophy of history” is “a systematic interpretation of universal history in accordance with a principle by which historical events and successions are unified and directed toward ultimate meaning.” Of course, that definition requires some thinking to understand. If you wish to know whether you are or are not a Covenant Theologian, you should be able to understand it.]
  12. Do you believe that person who is a child of the regenerate is a member of the Covenant of Grace even if he does not enter into the communion of life aspect through a confession of faith?
  13. Have you divided postfall history into two dispensations, the Mosaic dispensation sometimes called the “Old Covenant,” and the Christian dispensation, usually called the “New Covenant”?
  14. Do you believe that the Covenant of Grace, although administration of that covenant differed between the dispensations, exists throughout these dispensations?
  15. Do you believe that each of the biblical covenants is a continuation and newer phase of the Covenant of Grace?
  16. Do you believe in dual covenants? (I.e., that the Covenant of Works required obedience for salvation. According to the Covenant of Grace one could only be saved by faith in Christ.)
  17. If your answer to 16 was “yes” then is the Covenant of Works still in effect?
  18. Do you believe that God’s commands are “too severe even for Adam in innocency, and that grace[, through the covenant of circumcision and its successor, baptism,] gives an exemption from that severity,” under the Covenant of Grace?
  19. Do you believe that the local church should be made up of both those who are under the Covenant of Works as well as those who are under the Covenant of Grace?
  20. Do you believe that all in society should be forced to be members of a church which is united with and supported by the state?
  21. Do you believe in infant baptism?
  22. Do you believe in union of church and state?
  23. Do you believe in enforcing all the Ten Commandments?
  24. Do you believe in executing those who do not agree with your theology, at least outwardly?
  25. Do you believe in forcing all to attend the established church?

These matters are most important because the road to religious freedom without persecution in America was a story of the conflict between opposing Bible beliefs and practices – between the persecutors (Covenant Theologians such as the Anglicans and the Puritans or Congregationalists) and the persecuted. Because the same theologies are at war today, a believer actively engaged in spiritual warfare should make sure he is fighting according to knowledge, understanding, and wisdom on all fronts and especially on the front of accurate Bible teaching.

Knowing the answer to this question is vital to spiritual warfare.
Knowing the answer to this question is vital to spiritual warfare.

The history without the theologies involved is incomplete and inadequate. The battle between false theology and truth is still raging. To side with the false in even some areas dishonors our Lord and leads to bad consequences. It is better to fight for right no matter what, but so doing without knowing and teaching the reasons for the fight and the Bible precepts behind the war, and exposing lies and false theologies does not fully glorify God. Failure of God’s soldiers to proclaim all truth contributes to the cause of those who are pushing spiritual lies. All believers should seek to be in God’s perfect will even though one knows that he will never perfectly achieve such a thing.

As is obvious from a reading of Dispensational Theology versus Covenant Theology as well as God Betrayed/Separation of Church and State: The Biblical Principles and the American Application, those Baptists who led the charge for religious freedom were well studied in their beliefs, exposed the doctrines and practices of their Covenant Theology adversaries, and very articulately published their positions. Let us look to our examples, those historic Baptists who stood for truth and followed the teachings of the Bible no matter the cost.

Questions Which Reveal Whether One Is A Dispensationalist Plus Bible Matters Which Are Outside God’s Dispensational System

Jerald Finney
Copyright © November 22, 2015
Modified October 29, 2018

Covenant, as opposed to dispensational, theologians believe there are only 2 or 3 covenants in the Bible.
Covenant, as opposed to dispensational, theologians believe there are only 2 or 3 covenants in the Bible.

Note. See, for more on Dispensationalism, Dispensations (a continuing Bible study), The Essence of Dispensationalism, God’s Covenants (a continuing Bible study) Dispensational Theology versus Covenant Theology as well as the first four sections of God Betrayed/Separation of Church and State: The Biblical Principles and the American Application for an accurate explanation (not the perversions of the doctrine which many follow) of the origin, definition, etc. of the term “Dispensational Theology.”

As my pastor teaches, the authority for all things of God is the Word of God. The Word of God is my authority for this article which challenges one to closely consider whether he is a dispensationalist and challenges the reader to consider whether certain other fundamental Bible truths or principles such as “salvation” fit within a dispensational scheme. Should you disagree with me, please do not get angry. Show me where my analysis is wrong. Keep in mind that this is only a primer and not a thesis.

This short article presents some basic Bible questions; many more could be added, but these few are adequate for one to determine whether he is a dispensationalist. Your answers will let you know whether you are a dispensationalist.

  1. Would you agree that God has run the earth with different economies, economy meaning, “the arrangement or mode of operation of something.” Before you answer this question, you may want to answer the following questions.
  2. Do you agree that the only direction and control (government) over man in the Garden of Eden was individual direction and control under God, was man’s only direction and control?
  3. Do you believe that, before the fall of man in the Garden of Eden, as ordained by God, man lived in a paradise on earth and would never die?
  4. Do you believe that, before the fall of man in the Garden of Eden, God gave man only one rule and set the consequence for breaking that rule? Do you believe that man broke that rule? Do you believe that man failed when his only control was individual government under God?
  5. Do you believe that God judged man, woman, and Satan when Satan tempted Eve and man broke that rule?
  6. Do you believe that, before the fall of man in the Garden of Eden, man had no knowledge of good and evil (conscience)?
  7. Do you believe that after the fall of man in the Garden of Eden, God took man out of the paradise on earth, the garden of Eden, and gave man, woman, and Satan new rules? In other words, do you believe that at the fall, God established a new economy for man?
  8. Do you believe that after the fall of man in the Garden of Eden, man had knowledge of good and evil (conscience) and that man would now die?
  9. Do you believe that God changed the the economy of mankind at the fall?
  10. Do you believe that, at the fall, God instituted family government?
  11. Do you believe that after the fall, man retained individual government but now with an additional check on his actions, his knowledge of good and evil (his conscience)?
  12. Do you believe that after the fall and until the flood, man’s conscience was to be the only control over his actions as he proceeded with both individual and family government?
  13. Do you believe that, after the fall and before the flood, God told mankind not to exert direction and control over another man (not to take vengeance against another – one who had murdered someone)?
  14. Do you believe that man, being guided by his conscience relatively soon arrived at the point where “the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually?”
  15. Do you believe that man, being guided by his conscience relatively soon arrived at the point where “[t]he earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.”
  16. Do you believe that, at the flood, God changed the the economy for man? Do you believe that, at the flood, God instructed man to take direction and control over others by killing one who murders another whereas God had before instructed man not to take vengeance? Do you agree that one can call this new economy “civil government (man ruling over man in order to provide a direct control over certain evils?)?
  17. Do you believe that God divided the isles of the Gentiles in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations?
  18. Do you believe that after the flood and that after God instituted civil government man rebelled against God at the Tower of Babel?
  19. Do you believe that God judged this rebellion at the Tower of Babel?
  20. Do you believe that God called out Abraham to establish a people (a nation unto Himself)?
  21. Do you agree that all other nations continued under the original economy for civil government established by God at the flood?
  22. Do you believe that Abraham obeyed God, and that, as a result, a nation distinct from all others came into being?
  23. Do you believe that the Ten Commandments given by God to the Israelites changed the way God dealt with the Israelites as a nation (not as to individual salvation)?
  24. Do you believe that God combined religion and state in establishing the theocracy of Israel? Note. Of course, all heathen nations in general have always combined religion and state, but not according to the directive of God.
  25. Do you believe that Israel was to proceed as a theocracy under God whereas the Gentile nations were to continue to proceed under God’s plan established at the flood?
  26. Do you believe that God ordained something new, a new economy and a new type of government (direction and control), the church, as recorded in the New Testament?
  27. Do you believe that God gave directions to the New Testament church which are different from those directions he gave to the nation Israel and the Jewish religion?
  28. Do you believe that the New Testament teaches that churches are to be entirely separate from the civil government? Note. God desires all nations to choose to operate under Him, but does not force them to do so. One nation under God is not the same thing as union of church and state. The church is not God, and God, not the religion was over the Old Testament “church” and the nation Israel. See God Betrayed, especially Section IV; or, for a shorter explanation see Is Separation of Church and State Found in the Constitution?
  29. Do you believe that Christ will establish the millennial kingdom?
  30. Do you believe in a literal interpretation of Scripture?
One depending upon God's directives revealed by the Apostle Paul will, of course, study and teach the relevant doctrines of both the Old and New Testaments.
One depending upon God’s directives revealed by the Apostle Paul will, of course, study and teach the relevant doctrines of both the Old and New Testaments.

One who answers any one of the above questions “yes” and still denies that he is a dispensationalist does not understand dispensationalism, or may have, in his understanding of Scripture, combined elements of two or more opposing and mutually exclusive understandings of the Bible such as covenant theology and dispensational theology, or he may be a spiritual baby still living on the milk of the Word. There are perversions of dispensationalism such as “hyperdispensationalism” which should be exposed, not by demeaning the correct teaching of dispensationalism, but rather by exposing the errors. A correct understanding of dispensationalism is nothing more than a correct understanding of the Bible.

Of course, one must also understand that God also includes, within the pages of Scripture, facts and principles that run from Genesis to Revelation, and that are separate from economies or dispensations. One must also consider God’s various covenants as he considers the dispensations. See God’s Covenants (a Bible study). When one fails to do this, he will probably misunderstand other matters, such as the matter of how men are saved at various times or the matter of the time which the church was established. This happens because he does not distinguish between facts, principles, dispensations, covenants, etc.

The following facts, among others, run from the the creation of man to the end of Christ’s millennial reign:

  1. Everyone in every dispensation is a sinner except Jesus Christ; thus there is none good, no not one, except Jesus Christ. Psalms 14.1, 3; Romans 3:10; Matthew 19:17; Mark 10:18.
  2. No man in any dispensation, except Christ, is righteous. Psalms 14:1; Romans 3:10.
  3. No man in any dispensation can do enough good works to earn salvation; man’s righteousness is as filthy rags. Isaiah 64:6.
  4. Salvation in every dispensation requires a sinless sacrifice.
  5. Christ, the God-man, is the only sinless man to ever live.
  6. God the Son, Jesus Christ, provided the sinless sacrifice required by God the Father.
  7. Salvation in every dispensation is by grace through faith.

On the matter of salvation, I offer the following very brief explanation to show that salvation has always, since the fall, been by grace, through faith:

  • Paul speaks of that which justifies man before God, namely faith alone wholly apart from works (see, e.g., Romans 4). James, on the other hand, speaks of the proof before man; that he who professes to have justifying faith really has it. Paul speaks of what God sees – faith; James of what man sees – works as visible evidence of faith. Paul’s illustration in Romans 4 concerning Abraham is from Genesis 15.6 (“And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.”). James’ is from Genesis 22.1-19. James uses the phrase “ye see” (James 2.24) for man cannot see faith except as manifested through works.
  • In Psalm 15 David is saying exactly what James said: “Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works” (James 2:18). As it has been said, “Faith alone saves, but faith that saves is not alone.”
  • And what is and always has been, since the fall, the object of that faith? The Lord Jesus Christ. Only through faith in Him can one be saved. I cannot see Him, but I know, by faith, who He is and that He died, was buried and that he is risen. I, like all (including all who lived before resurrection of Christ) except those who witnessed His resurrection, can only, through faith, trust Him. Just as I know that He will return for His children at rapture only by faith in the Word of God, I can only know of His death, burial, and resurrection by faith in His Word, both Old and New Testaments. Adam and Even, Cain and Abel, Job (Job 13:15-17, 18-28; 19.25-27) Abraham, God’s Old Testament prophets, and their believing contemporaries knew of the coming Messiah. “And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together” (Genesis 22:8)[Bold emphasis mine](See also, CHRIST PROPHESIED IN THE OLD TESTAMENT: BEGINNING WITH GENESIS 3.15). The Old Testament, without reference to the New, reveals Him, His death, burial, and resurrection, sometimes in more detail than the New Testament (See, e.g., Isaiah 53 and the Messianic Psalms). The woman at the well, not a Jew, knew of the Messiah (John 4.22). How? Because of the Old Testament. Salvation is something separated from any dispensation and must be considered outside an examination of God’s economies or dispensations.

110215 Letter to Minneapolis Officials CMRRR

Jerald C. Finney
Mail: P.O. Box 1346 ; Austin TX 78767
Office : 700 Lavaca, Suite 1400, Austin TX
Phone (512) 785-8445 (C) ; 512-808-5529 (O) ; 512-385-0761 (H)
E-MAIL:
 jerald.finney@sbcglobal.net
Website : « Separation of Church and State Law » (opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com)

11/02/15

Mailed CMRRR 11/02/15:

Mayor Betsy Hodges
350 S. 5th St., Room 331
Minneapolis, MN 55415
Phone: (612) 673-2100
RE:  Update.

Note. A list of all officials to whom this letter was mailed CMRRR is at the bottom.

Dear Mayor Hodges:

I am happy to report that men from Old Paths Baptist Church went to Minneapolis on October 31, 2015 and preached in the public forum in Dinkeytown and outside the University of Minnesota Stadium. The following was my facebook question and the response of Pastor Jason Cooley concerning that matter:

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The men of OPBC want to thank you for any part you may have had in enforcing the law correctly. Again, it is their desire to have a positive relationship with all Minneapolis officials as well as with the citizens of Minneapolis. Those who oppose what they say share the same rights and protections afforded by American law.

This update and letter is being linked to online at:

https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/2015/10/30/opbc-street-preachers-actions-against-university-of-minnesota-peace-officer-who-acted-unlawfully/

Thanks again and feel free to contact me for any reason.

Very truly yours,

Jerald Finney
Jcf

PS: Attached is a copy of the e-mail letter sent you on 10/30/15.

The above letter with attachment was sent CMRRR on 110215 with correct header info. to each of the following:

David Wilske
Patrol Lieutenant for the University of Minnesota Police Department
511 Washington Ave. SE
Suite No. 1
Minneapolis MN 55455
wilsk001@umn.edu

Janeé Harteau
Chief of Police
350 South 5 th Street
Room 130
Minneapolis, MN 55415-1389
612-673-3559
Fax: 612-673-2613
E-mail: 
police@minneapolismn.gov

Inspector Katherine Waite
Commander of the 2nd Precinct
1911 Central Avenue N.E.
Minneapolis, MN 55418
(612) 673-5702
Fax (612) 370-3885
police@ci.minneapolis.mn.us

Mayor Betsy Hodges
350 S. 5th St., Room 331
Minneapolis, MN 55415
Phone: (612) 673-2100

City Attorney (Called but the answerer could not give me the name of the city attorney-gave me the e-mail address below)
City Hall, Room 210
350 S. 5th St.
Minneapolis, MN 55415
(612) 673-2010
policereview@minneapolismn.gov

Ward 2 – Cam Gordon
350 S. 5th St., Room 307
Minneapolis, MN 55415
(612) 673-2202
cam.gordon@minneapolismn.gov

OPBC Street Preachers Actions against University of Minnesota Peace Officer who acted unlawfully

April 18, 2015 encounter with unlawful police officer in Dinkeytown, Minnesota and subsequent actions by the offended parties

Jerald Finney
October 30, 2015

Note the 103114 Update below

DinkytownThe actions chronicled in this article were made necessary by the unlawful actions of a University of Minnesota police officer. See the bias, arrogance, abuse, and lack of legal knowledge of the peace officer at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh4h8q_WbkY.

Freedom of speech as guaranteed by the United States Constitution, First Amendment, the Minnesota Constitution, and the city of Minneapolis Charter and Code of Ordinances is especially important in this situation. To understand why, go to Luciferianism, Enochian Magick, Aliester Crowley & Dinkytown Witches.

Preaching to Satanists in Dinkeytown on October 31, 2015. Click image to go to the Youtube video.
Preaching to Satanists in Dinkeytown on October 31, 2015. Click image to go to the Youtube video.

On April 18, 2015, OPBC men went to Minneapolis MN to preach in the public forum. Some were assaulted. A peace officer came and told them to leave in 5 minutes or be arrested, thereby violating their civil rights (First Amendment speech rights). The men of  OPBC understand the limits of the law concerning street preaching; they know that freedom of speech does not allow them to criminal trespass, obstruct highways, passageways, and doorways, to assault anyone, etc. But they also know that their speech cannot be suppressed by the police or anyone else based upon false pretext. The law on this is available on various resources linked to on this site. See, e.g., other information on this webpage, Tract, Street Preaching in America: Is it Legal?; For greater understanding of the free speech rights of Americans in the public forum click left click here and read the brief of Jerald Finney in the Steve Drake case; or the October 28, 2015 United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit case, Bible Believers vs. WAYNE COUNTY, MICHIGAN; BENNY N. NAPOLEON, in his official capacity as Sheriff, Wayne County Sheriff’s Office; DENNIS RICHARDSON, individually and in his official capacity as Deputy Chief, Wayne County Sheriff’s Office; MIKE JAAFAR, individually and in his official capacity as Deputy Chief, Wayne County Sheriff’s Office (this case answers all questions in favor of the street preachers of Old Paths Baptist Church, and repeats long-standing First Amendment law.)

Old Paths Baptist Church will make a sincere effort to handle this matter without the need for court intervention. The men of OPBC will be returning to street preach at Dinkeytown and want to make sure the officers know the law so that they can properly perform their duties according to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and the Constitution of Minnesota. OPBC does not want to cause unnecessary expense to individual police officers, the University of Minnesota Police Department, the mayor and city council of Minneapolis, and the taxpayers of the city of Minneapolis. If court action is necessary, attorneys licensed in Minnesota are ready to handle the case.

As of April 18, 2015 at 9:55 p.m., e-mails have been sent to Minneapolis mayor Betsy Hodges, Minneapolis City Attorney, and Chief of Police Junee Harteau. The e-mail to the city attorney (the other e-mails were modified for the particular office) stated as follows (in red):

041815
From Jerald Finney
jerald.finney@sbcglobal.net
512-785-8445

RE: Violation of Civil Rights of Street Preachers by Minneapolis Police

To City Attorney of Minneapolis, MN.:

I am writing this note as a member of and on behalf of men whose civil rights were blatantly violated by the Minneapolis Police on April 18, 2014. The men are members of the church I also belong to, Old Paths Baptist Church in Northfield, MN. I write this as a member of the church, not as a legal representative at this point, although I am an attorney who now practices in Texas. I plan to move to Northfield as soon as I can.

Should legal action be required, the men already have talked to an organization which will provide legal assistance in Minnesota. I write this in hopes that this matter can be resolved without civil suit and without getting an attorney involved. Suing in federal court for the gross violations of the Minneapolis police can only cost the taxpayers of Minneapolis a lot of money for a hopeless cause. The story of the men whose rights were violated is all on DVD. It will be online on my website and also on facebook very soon. The law is clear as to the rights of people to preach, teach, speak, etc. on the public forum. The police, as I understand it, threatened the preachers with arrest for disorderly conduct and hate speech, if they did not leave in 5 minutes. The police did no investigation; they just threatened the street preachers. The street preachers know all about the law involved.

I am sure that you, as city attorney, are very familiar with First Amendment speech rights in the public forum. So that you know that the street preachers are also familiar with that law, you may refer to a tract which they are familiar with and which I wrote: the tract, “Street Preaching in America: Is It Legal”  is online at https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/b-messages-from-pastor/street-preaching/tract-street-preaching-in-america-is-it-legal/. More legal information on free speech rights in the public forum is linked to on the website page listed in the next paragraph, a page they are familiar with.

These men have had to deal with matters like this before. You can read some of their trials and tribulations at https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/b-messages-from-pastor/street-preaching/december-25-2013-an-unfolding-street-preaching-battle-in-northfield-minnesota/. In every case on that cite, you will find that the city police and government involved relented when the civil rights violations were brought to the attention of the city attorney, mayor, city council, Chief of Police, and police departments. The police department was instructed as to the law of speech in the public forum and thereafter ceased to violate the rights of the public speakers since they obviously did not want to waste taxpayer money for issues which are firmly entrenched in American law.

Hopefully, we will be able to resolve this matter in accordance with the law, and the police department will be educated on and thereafter do their job in these type situations (to protect peaceful public speakers who are exercising their constitutionally guaranteed freedoms from those who are so offended by protected speech that they lie, assault, etc. those who say things that upset them in public and so forth).

The street preachers have informed me that at least one of them was assaulted by an offended listener, yet the police refused to follow up on their complaint concerning the assault. The complaint was only made after the police rudely violated the civil rights of the preachers.

I will be contacting the chief of police, the city council members, and the mayor in our sincere attempts to resolve this matter in the most reasonable, lawful, and Christian manner without having to resort to legal actions which will cost your taxpayers a lot of money.

Yours Most Sincerely,
Jerald Finney

I received a response from the city attorney to the above e-mail on 041915 requesting specifics of the location of the incident. I promptly replied and included a link to the Youtube address (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh4h8q_WbkY) of the video of the encounter with the police.

We received back an e-mail from the Minneapolis PD. The e-mail (absent phone nos. and names) was as follows (in red):

Minneapolis [e-mail address removed]; To jerald.finney@sbcglobal.net; April 19, 2015 at 1:18 PM

Dear Jerald,

We appreciate your email.

You can file a complaint against the officer online and I have attached the link to this email [link removed]. You can also call Police conduct for them to review your video at 612-673-5500.

If there is anything else we can help you with please contact us.  Thank you for emailing the City of Minneapolis.

[Name removed]

Minneapolis 311
Office [Phone number removed]

Hours: 7 am – 7 pm (Monday – Friday) 8am – 4:30pm (Saturday – Sunday)
Email [e-mail address removed]
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Pastor Jason filed a complaint on 4/20/15 and will be called Police conduct to have them review the video(s).

If need be, the e-mail addresses for the city council members and city attorney will  be obtained , letters will be e-mailed to them, etc. Hopefully, the actions already initiated will, when completed, resolve this problem.

Pastor Jason Cooley received a letter dated April 30, 2015 from the Minneapolis Office of Police Conduct Review. The following is a picture of that letter:

On October 30, 2015, I e-mailed the appropriate officials. See that letter by clicking here.

Again, as always, these actions are being taken in an effort to settle this matter without having to go to Federal Court. Such action can cost the citizens of Minneapolis (or the University of Minnesota), as well as the department and individual officer(s) involved, a considerable amount of money in attorneys’ fees alone; and all for a hopeless cause the law of which is well established in American law. Of course, should the Chief, the Mayor, the City Council members, and the city attorney fail to respond properly, they, as well as the city, may also become subject to suit.

See the bias, arrogance, abuse, and lack of legal knowledge of the peace officer at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh4h8q_WbkY.

See the street preachers at the Magus Bookstore Dinkeytown at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dERYyn8rzwk&feature=youtu.be

Other DVD’s taken at the scene are not published online.

October 31, 2015 Update

Men of the Old Paths Baptist Church street preaching ministry preached in both Dinkeytown and outside the University of Minnesota football stadium at and after the game between Minnesota and Michigan on October 31, 2015. On November 1, 2015, I inquired on Facebook as to how it went and received a reply from Pastor Jason:

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Preaching to Satanists in Dinkeytown on October 31, 2015. Click image to go to the Youtube video.
Preaching to Satanists in Dinkeytown on October 31, 2015. Click image to go to the Youtube video.

Click here to read the 10/31/15 CMRRR letter to Minneapolis officials thanking them for doing their job as regards speakers and speech in the public forum.

Again, more specifics will be added as this situation develops.

Letter to appropriate officials concerning speech in the public forum (in Dinkeytown) by OPBC

Jerald C. Finney
Mail: P.O. Box 1346 ; Austin TX 78767
Office : 700 Lavaca, Suite 1400, Austin TX
Phone (512) 785-8445 (C) ; 512-808-5529 (O) ; 512-385-0761 (H)
E-MAIL: jerald.finney@sbcglobal.net
Website : « Separation of Church and State Law » (opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com)

10/30/2015

E-Mail to the following:

David Wilske
Patrol Lieutenant for the University of Minnesota Police Department
511 Washington Ave. SE
Suite No. 1
Minneapolis MN 55455
wilsk001@umn.edu

Cc:

Janeé Harteau
Chief of Police
350 South 5 th Street
Room 130
Minneapolis, MN 55415-1389
612-673-3559
Fax: 612-673-2613
E-mail: police@minneapolismn.gov

Inspector Katherine Waite
Commander of the 2nd Precinct
1911 Central Avenue N.E.
Minneapolis, MN 55418
(612) 673-5702
Fax (612) 370-3885
police@ci.minneapolis.mn.us

Mayor Betsy Hodges
350 S. 5th St., Room 331
Minneapolis, MN 55415
Phone: (612) 673-2100

City Attorney (Called but the answerer could not give me the name of the city attorney-gave me the e-mail address below)
City Hall, Room 210
350 S. 5th St.
Minneapolis, MN 55415
(612) 673-2010
policereview@minneapolismn.gov

Ward 2 – Cam Gordon
350 S. 5th St., Room 307
Minneapolis, MN 55415
(612) 673-2202
cam.gordon@minneapolismn.gov

RE:  Advance notice concerning protected speech within the jurisdiction of UMPD by the men of the OPBC Street Preaching Ministry in a sincere effort to avoid the need for federal civil rights lawsuit.

Dear Lieutenant Wilske:

I am writing this letter as a member of Old Paths Baptist Church (“”OPBC”) in Northfield Minnesota. I am in the process of moving to Faribault, Minnesota from Austin Texas where I practice law.

You and I have talked about this matter. As you know, I am addressing this matter in advance to avoid the eventuality that your peace officers have not been properly educated in dealing with situations where citizens are exercising their right to freedom of speech as guaranteed by the United States Constitution, the Constitution of the State of Minnesota, and by the Minneapolis Charter and City Ordinances. You may have already educated your peace officers since our discussions began; but, as I have pointed out and provided to you the link to the online video of the incident, at least one of your officers has violated the civil rights of the peaceful speech activities of the men of OPBC street preaching ministry.

Some members of OPBC will, from time to time, be exercising their First Amendment speech rights in Dinkeytown, as they have done in the past. In their past activity, the police officer did not understand the law and therefore violated the rights of the street preachers. As I have pointed out to you, the federal courts, all the way to the top, have for a long time laid out the law in these matters. Now, a case which is precisely on point was just handed down by the United States Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals. You can go to the following article for all the details of concerning this matter, including a link to the video of the offending officer in action, as well as a link to the opinion in the October 28, 2015 Sixth Circuit case.

On October 28, 2015, the U.S. Sixth Circuit restated and strengthened First Amendment protection of speech in the public forum in a case where “Bible Believers” involved in street preaching to Muslims displayed a pigs head, amongst other direct speech. The Sixth Circuit stressed that the First Amendment “envelops all manner of speech, even when that speech is loathsome in its intolerance, designed to cause offense, and, as a result of such offense, arouses violent retaliation.” Attorney Robert Muise of the American Freedom Law Center, who argued the case on behalf of the Bible Believers, applauded the decision, saying it was  “solidly on the side of free speech.” “If this went the other way, it would incentivize  violence as a legitimate response to free speech, and that is wrong in our country,” Muise said.  “Any freedom-loving American enjoys protections of the First Amendment.”The Sixth Circuit said, “(The ruling)  affirms the rule of law that when a violent mob is responding violently to protected speech, the police’s duty is to protect the speaker and not join that mob that is intent in suppressing the speech,” Muise said. “Today, the First Amendment was the victor.” Click here to go directly to the opinion. Article: Anti-Muslim Slurs Get Legal Protection (102915).

 The defendants in the above mentioned case were: WAYNE COUNTY, MICHIGAN; BENNY N. NAPOLEON, in his official capacity as Sheriff, Wayne County Sheriff’s Office; DENNIS RICHARDSON, individually and in his official capacity as Deputy Chief, Wayne County Sheriff’s Office; MIKE JAAFAR, individually and in his official capacity as Deputy Chief, Wayne County Sheriff’s Office.

The case now goes back to a federal judge in Detroit, who will decide what damages the “Bible Believers” are entitled to.

That case should make clear the duty of peace officers in America to protect the speaker and the speech in the public forum. As well, the case points out the limits of the speech activity and actions of the speakers and much more.

As we have discussed before the above mentioned ruling, speech in the public forum is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, the Constitution of the state of Minnesota, and by your City Code. The people of Old Paths Baptist Church were well aware of what the Supreme Court has ruled concerning speech in the public forum. For example, on the “Separation of Church and State Law” website you will find the tract Street Preaching in America – Is it Legal? (https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/b-messages-from-pastor/street-preaching/tract-street-preaching-in-america-is-it-legal/ ). Some of the members, especially the leaders, have copies of and have studied that tract and other materials. I believe you may find the tract useful in that it covers the hierarchy of the relevant law from the highest to the lowest. For that tract, the lowest law was the Northfield, Minnesota Code of City Ordinances and Charter.

The members of the OPBC street preaching ministry (and all the members) have now been forwarded the links to the above mentioned Sixth Circuit case and a brief summary of it. The case is linked to in several places on the “Separation of Church and State Law” website; e.g. see . https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/b-messages-from-pastor/street-preaching/december-25-2013-an-unfolding-street-preaching-battle-in-northfield-minnesota/.

I discussed this with Pastor Jason Cooley. He tried to call you, but you were unavailable. After several attempts, he told me to take care of it since he is very busy with several projects (preachers 3 times a week, does 2 online broadcasts each week, street preaches, has family responsibilities, etc.).

Accordingly, in order to attempt to prevent the necessity of Civil Rights suit in federal court, I am sending this notification to you and other city officials given in the heading. The law makes clear that it is the job of peace officers to protect public speakers engaged in First Amendment protected activities and their speech. Should another police officer behave as did the officer in the video, the only remedy will be costly (to the defendants, including the taxpayers of the county, the officers involved, and the officials who should have educated and supervised those officers or who should have made sure that the officers were properly educated and supervised). The men of the OPBC Street Preaching Ministry sincerely hope that court action not be called for since they would rather spend their time communicating the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ instead of fighting a battle which has already been fought and won.

I am sure that City Attorney is aware of the law in these matters. I would also hope that Chief of Police and other law enforcement personnel are as well. My concern is that all of the officials of the city as well as all law enforcement personnel and especially those who will be working the in Dinkeytown know the law and are prepared to enforce it. Their job is to protect all citizens, including those citizens involved in protected speech. They cannot properly do their job without knowing the law.

The men of OPBC have already had to confront other cities and towns for violation of the First Amendment. You may find some of their triumphant trials and tribulations as well as the latest law at:

https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/b-messages-from-pastor/street-preaching/december-25-2013-an-unfolding-street-preaching-battle-in-northfield-minnesota/

 https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/b-messages-from-pastor/street-preaching/

So far, every city and town where a problem has arisen concerning the public speech by the men of OPBC has now educated their law enforcement personnel and no lawsuit has been necessary. Here in Austin, Texas, peace officers are well educated in the law. I was involved in a street preaching ministry here for 19 years and the police always protected us because they have been educated in the relevant law since all kinds of activists regularly communicate (speech, signs, symbols, tracts, etc.) in the public forum. They protected us and informed disruptive citizens of the law of free speech in America. On one occasion, a man who assaulted me was detained by the police. He lied and said I assaulted him. The police told me what he said but also said that they saw the whole thing and said I could file charges. I told them that I did not wish to do so. I could tell you numerous other stories of the great job the police in Austin, Texas do in upholding the law and protecting those who speak in the public forum.

The men of OPBC always endeavor to settle matters peaceably and according to the law. They do not wish to try to respectfully educate peace officers (sometimes very rude and obnoxious peace officers – see some of the encounters linked to on the website pages above) who are not acting according to the law. They do not wish to spend time in filing and executing lawsuits against offending officials (individual peace officers, county and city attorneys, mayors, city council members, and the cities in general) for matters which are well settled in the law. They have no desire to cost those people and the tax paying citizens unnecessary expense. I am sure you would rather use the city taxpayer money for other matters. Even more important, I am sure you wish to properly honor the law and to protect innocent persons who are peaceably exercising their rights under that law. In the event a lawsuit is necessary, OPBC has already contacted lawyers who will be ready and able to go to court in Minnesota.

Several cameras will be in use by the people of OPBC so that should false charges or accusations be made, or should lawsuit(s) be necessary, the facts will be protected from lies or misunderstandings.

Please educate your police officers and other city officials who may be involved all over the city of Minneapolis, and especially the Dinkeytown area, as to law concerning speech in the public forum in America. OPBC desires to have a good working relationship with the officials and all citizens of Anoka.

Again, on the above webpages, you will find other legal resources, positive and negative encounters with police officers linked to on Youtube, etc. which may help you as you look at this matter.

This letter is being posted on the website at: https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/2015/10/30/letter-to-appropriate-officials-concerning-speech-in-the-public-forum-in-dinkeytown-by-opbc/

The article which covers this entire episode is at: https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/2015/10/30/opbc-street-preachers-actions-against-university-of-minnesota-peace-officer-who-acted-unlawfully/

Very truly yours,

Jerald C. Finney
Jcf

Letter to city officials concerning up-coming street preaching by the men of OPBC

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Click to go to Anoka
Click to go to Anoka “Grand Day Parade Guidelines.”

The men of Old Paths Baptist Church have decided to start, when time permits, to notify towns and cities where they have not street preached of their intent to do so. Hopefully, this will cause those notified entities to properly educate their peace officers in advance. Below is:

(1) the first prior notice letter I have mailed out. I will send it to the named officials by both e-mail and by written letter. As the letter indicates, the city may have already educated their peace officers, but experience has proven that that is not always the case.
(2) the cover letter I included on the letters to Mayor Phil Rice and the council members which were all mailed in one package since they were at the same address.
(3) UPDATES.

(1)

Jerald C. Finney


Mail: P.O. Box 1346 ; Austin TX 78767
Office : 700 Lavaca, Suite 1400, Austin TX
Phone (512) 785-8445 (C) ; 512-808-5529 (O) ; 512-385-0761 (H)
E-MAIL: jerald.finney@sbcglobal.net
Website : “Separation of Church and State Law” (opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com)

10/21/2015

MAYOR: Phil Rice 612-702-8442; 2015 First Ave; Anoka MN 55303
Email: philrice@ci.anoka.mn.us; Term expires: 12-31-2016

COUNCILMEMBERS:

Tony Palumbo Anoka County Attorney; County Attorney’s Office; 2100 Third Ave.; Anoka, MN  55303; Ph: 763-323-5550; Fx: 763-422-7589

Chief Philip Johanson; Police Chief and Emergency/Management Director; Phil Johanson 763-576-2831

RE:  Advance notice concerning protected speech on “Grand Day Parade” day.

Dear Anoka Mayor, City Council members, chief of police, and city attorney:

I am writing this letter as a member of Old Paths Baptist Church (“”OPBC”) in Northfield Minnesota. I am in the process of moving to Faribault, Minnesota from Austin Texas where I practice law.

I am writing this letter in advance to avoid the eventuality that your peace officers have not been properly educated in dealing with situations where citizens are exercising their right to freedom of speech as guaranteed by the United States Constitution, the Constitution of the State of Minnnesota, and by the Anoka City Code. You may have already educated your peace officers, but the men of the OPBC street preaching ministry have found that some towns and cities were not informed and therefore acted contrary to the law.

Some members of OPBC plan to attend your upcoming parade. They will be handing out Gospel tracts in the public forum. They will not attempt to march in the parade. They understand that they cannot violate a criminal law, but they also know that the law (disorderly conduct, obstructing a passageway, doorway, or roadway, littering (when they themselves do not litter), etc.) cannot be used as a pretense to deny them their rights in the public forum. The tract below, which they have copies of, quotes from several United States Supreme Court cases which cover all these matters.

As you know, speech in the public forum is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, the Constitution of the state of Minnesota, and by your City Code. The people of Old Paths Baptist Church are well aware of what the Supreme Court has ruled concerning speech in the public forum. For example, on the “Separation of Church and State Law” website you will find the tract Street Preaching in America – Is it Legal? (https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/b-messages-from-pastor/street-preaching/tract-street-preaching-in-america-is-it-legal/). Some of the members, especially the leaders, have copies of and have studied that tract and other materials. I believe you may find the tract useful in that it covers the hierarchy of the relevant law from the highest to the lowest. For that tract, the lowest law was the Northfield, Minnesota Code of City Ordinances and Charter.

I am sure that City Attorney Tony Palumbo is aware of the law in these matters. I would also hope that Chief Philip Johanson is as well. My concern is that all of the officials of the city as well as all law enforcement personnel and especially those who will be working the “Grand Day Parade” know the law and are prepared to enforce it. Their job is to protect all citizens, including those citizens involved in protected speech. They cannot properly do their job without knowing the law.

The men of OPBC have already had to confront other cities and towns for violation of the First Amendment. You may find some of their trials and tribulations at:

https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/b-messages-from-pastor/street-preaching/december-25-2013-an-unfolding-street-preaching-battle-in-northfield-minnesota/

https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/b-messages-from-pastor/street-preaching/

So far, every city and town where a problem has arisen concerning the public speech by the men of OPBC has now educated their law enforcement personnel and no lawsuit has been necessary. Here in Austin, Texas, peace officers are well educated in the law. I was involved in a street preaching ministry here for 19 years and the police always protected us because they have been educated in the relevant law since all kinds of activists regularly communicate (speech, signs, symbols, tracts, etc.) in the public forum. They protected us and informed disruptive citizens of the law of free speech in America. On one occasion, a man who assaulted me was detained by the police. He lied and said I assaulted him. The police told me what he said but also said that they saw the whole thing and said I could file charges. I told them that I did not wish to do so. I could tell you numerous other stories of the great job the police in Austin, Texas do in upholding the law and protecting those who speak in the public forum.

The men of OPBC always endeavor to settle matters peaceably and according to the law. They do not wish to try to respectfully educate peace officers (sometimes very rude and obnoxious peace officers – see some of the encounters linked to on the website pages above) who are not acting according to the law. They do not wish to spend time in filing and executing lawsuits against offending officials (individual peace officers, county and city attorneys, mayors, city council members, and the cities in general) for matters which are well settled in the law. They have no desire to cost those people and the tax paying citizens unnecessary expense. I am sure you would rather use the city taxpayer money for other matters. Even more important, I am sure you wish to properly honor the law and to protect innocent persons who are peaceably exercising their rights under that law. In the event a lawsuit is necessary, OPBC has already contacted lawyers who will be ready and able to go to court in Minnesota.

Several cameras will be in use by the people of OPBC so that should false charges or accusations be made, or should lawsuit(s) be necessary, the facts will be protected from lies or misunderstandings.

Please educate your police officers and other city officials who may be involved in the Parade Day events as to law concerning speech in the public forum in America. OPBC desires to have a good working relationship with the officials and all citizens of Anoka.

Again, on the above webpages, you will find other legal resources, positive and negative encounters with police officers linked to on Youtube, etc. which may help you as you look at this matter.

This letter is being posted on the website at: https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/letter-to-city-officials-concerning-up-coming-street-preaching-by-the-men-of-opbc/

Very truly yours,
Jerald C. Finney
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Jerald C. Finney


Mail: P.O. Box 1346 ; Austin TX 78767
Office : 700 Lavaca, Suite 1400, Austin TX
Phone (512) 785-8445 (C) ; 512-808-5529 (O) ; 512-385-0761 (H)
E-MAIL: jerald.finney@sbcglobal.net
Website : “Separation of Church and State Law” (opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com)

10/22/2015

MAYOR: Phil Rice 612-702-8442; 2015 First Ave; Anoka MN 55303

COUNCILMEMBERS:

RE:  Enclosed letters regarding “Advance notice concerning protected speech on ‘Grand Day Parade’ day”.

Dear Anoka Mayor and City Council members:

Enclosed in this package is a copy of a letter which was emailed to you regarding protected speech on “Grand Day Parade” for the honorable Phil Rice, the honorable Carl Anderson, the honorable Mark Freeburg, the honorable Steve Schmidt, and the honorable Jeff Weaver.

Since all the above city officials have the same address, I am sending the letters in one package to save work and expense. Please make sure that each of you gets a copy.

Thank you for your courtesies in this matter. Hopefully we can all work together to make your parade day one which will serve to enlighten all concerned about American law concerning protected speech in the public forum and promote peaceful healthy debate about important matters.

The speech and actions of the men of OPBC will be peaceful, but controversial. If other members of the public are properly educated by you and/or by Anoka police officers at the scene, all will more fully appreciate the great freedoms provided by American law at all levels, from the United States Constitution, the Minnesota Constitution, and the Anoka City Code.

Should the peace officers at the scene not understand the law, convey it to members of the public who might be disruptive and/or make false charges against the speakers, or falsely use existing laws (breach of peace, obstructing, etc.) to try to deny the speech rights of the men of OPBC, time-consuming and expensive (to the Anoka taxpayers) legal action may be necessary. The men of OPBC sincerely wish to avoid the last mentioned eventuality.

Thank you for your help, attention to, and courtesies in this matter.

Very truly yours,

Jerald C. Finney
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(3) UPDATES:

Email from Pastor Jason Cooley on 10/25/15 and my reply (The men of OPBC “No Small Stir” street preaching ministry preached on the streets of Anoka on 10/24/15) and will preach there during the “Grand Parade Day” to exercise their First Amendment freedom of speech rights):

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Street Preaching, Spiritual Warfare/Luciferianism, Enochian Magick, Aliester Crowley & Dinkytown Witches

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Jerald Finney
Copyright © October 11, 2015

Dinkytown

October 31, 2015 at Dinkeytown: CHEWBACCA showed up; but, sadly, did not get saved
October 31, 2015 at Dinkeytown: CHEWBACCA showed up; but, sadly, did not get saved. “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” (Mark 16:15)

Never before has it been more clear that “churches” in America have not been fighting spiritual warfare as directed by God. See After Salvation. The treatment of one of Satan’s main spiritual leaders, the Pope, proves this as do other facts. One of those facts is the spread, before our very eyes, of luciferianism and magic. Children (see, e.g., PBN children’s programming) and adult programs on television, in the movies, and music are preparing the way for the anti-christ by teaching, e.g., magic and luciferianism. This article is actually based upon an entry on “The Trials and Tribulations of the OPBC ‘No Small Stir’ Street Preaching Ministry.” This article clearly illustrates the clash between good and evil in America. Sadly, most “Christians” have no idea what is going on nor are they following their Lord and fighting evil on any (most “Christians”) front or all fronts (almost all “Christians”). The clash is centered in the public speech forum in front of a luciferian bookstore in Dinkytown.

Believers, luciferians, and all who are interested in what is going on in the spiritual realm should listen to Luciferianism, Enochian Magick, Aliester Crowley & Dinkytown Witches.

The following is copied and pasted from the webpage. The believer will learn much by reading and listening to the resources linked to on the following which is copied and pasted from The Trials and Tribulations of the OPBC‘No Small Stir’ Street Preaching Ministry (this will be supplemented as the situation develops):

April 18, 2015 update

Satanists hate the free speech that came about because of the persecutions and spiritual warefare of our historic Baptist brothers, sisters, and children. Yet they want to communicate their lies on others.
Satanists hate the free speech that came about because of the persecutions and spiritual warefare of our historic Baptist brothers, sisters, and children. Yet they want to communicate their lies to others.

Freedom of speech as guaranteed by the United States Constitution, First Amendment, the Minnesota Constitution, and the city of Minneapolis Charter and Code of Ordinances is especially important in this situation. To understand why, go to Luciferianism, Enochian Magick, Aliester Crowley & Dinkytown Witches.

On this date, Old Paths Baptist Church (“OPBC”) men went to Minneapolis MN to preach in the public forum. Some were assaulted. A peace officer came and told them to leave in 5 minutes or be arrested, thereby violating their civil rights (First Amendment speech rights). The men of  OPBC understand the limits of the law concerning street preaching; they know that freedom of speech does not allow them to criminal trespass, obstruct highways, passageways, and doorways, to assault anyone, etc. But they also know that their speech cannot be suppressed by the police or anyone else in violation of First Amendment law or based upon pretense. The law on this is available on various resources linked to on this site. See, e.g., other information on this webpage, Tract, Street Preaching in America: Is it Legal? or For greater understanding of the free speech rights of Americans in the public forum click left click here and read the brief of Jerald Finney in the Steve Drake case.

See the bias, arrogance, abuse, and lack of legal knowledge of the peace officer at:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh4h8q_WbkY.

5See the actions toward street preachers of a Minneapolis Police Officer who understands First Amendment law concerning speech in the public forum at: Minneapolis Police Officer understands the First Amendment.

OPBC will make a sincere effort to handle this matter without the need for court intervention. They men of OPBC will be returning to street preach at Dinkeytown and want to make sure the officers know the law so that they can properly perform their duties according to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and the Constitution of Minnesota. OPBC does not want to cause unnecessary expense to individual police officers, the University of Minnesota Police Department, the mayor and city council of Minneapolis, and the taxpayers of the city of Minneapolis nor do they wish to waste the time God has given them by addressing well settled legal matters in court.

4As of April 18, 2015 at 9:55 p.m., e-mails have been sent to Minneapolis mayor Betsy Hodges, Minneapolis City Attorney, and Chief of Police Junee Harteau. The e-mail to the city attorney (the other e-mails were modified for the particular office) stated as follows (in red):

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From Jerald Finney
jerald.finney@sbcglobal.net
512-785-8445

RE: Violation of Civil Rights of Street Preachers by Minneapolis Police

To City Attorney of Minneapolis, MN.:

3I am writing this note as a member of and on behalf of men whose civil rights were blatantly violated by the Minneapolis Police on April 18, 2014. The men are members of the church I also belong to, OPBCin Northfield, MN. I write this as a member of the church, not as a legal representative at this point, although I am an attorney who now practices in Texas. I plan to move to Northfield as soon as I can.

Should legal action be required, the men already have talked to an organization which will provide legal assistance in Minnesota. I write this in hopes that this matter can be resolved without civil suit and without getting an attorney involved. Suing in federal court for the gross violations of the Minneapolis police can only cost the taxpayers of Minneapolis a lot of money for a hopeless cause. The story of the men whose rights were violated is all on DVD. It will be online on my website and also on facebook very soon. The law is clear as to the rights of people to preach, teach, speak, etc. on the public forum. The police, as I understand it, threatened the preachers with arrest for disorderly conduct and hate speech, if they did not leave in 5 minutes. The police did no investigation; they just threatened the street preachers. The street preachers know all about the law involved.

2I am sure that you, as city attorney, are very familiar with First Amendment speech rights in the public forum. So that you know that the street preachers are also familiar with that law, you may refer to a tract which they are familiar with and which I wrote: the tract, “Street Preaching in America: Is It Legal”  is online at https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/b-messages-from-pastor/street-preaching/tract-street-preaching-in-america-is-it-legal/. More legal information on free speech rights in the public forum is linked to on the website page listed in the next paragraph, a page they are familiar with.

9These men have had to deal with matters like this before. You can read some of their trials and tribulations at https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/b-messages-from-pastor/street-preaching/december-25-2013-an-unfolding-street-preaching-battle-in-northfield-minnesota/. In every case on that cite, you will find that the city police and government involved relented when the civil rights violations were brought to the attention of the city attorney, mayor, city council, Chief of Police, and police departments. The police department was instructed as to the law of speech in the public forum and thereafter ceased to violate the rights of the public speakers since they obviously did not want to waste taxpayer money for issues which are firmly entrenched in American law.

1Hopefully, we will be able to resolve this matter in accordance with the law, and the police department will be educated on and thereafter do their job in these type situations (to protect peaceful public speakers who are exercising their constitutionally guaranteed freedoms from those who are so offended by protected speech that they lie, assault, etc. those who say things that upset them in public and so forth).

The street preachers have informed me that at least one of them was assaulted by an offended listener, yet the police refused to follow up on their complaint concerning the assault. The complaint was only made after the police rudely violated the civil rights of the preachers.

I will be contacting the chief of police, the city council members, and the mayor in our sincere attempts to resolve this matter in the most reasonable, lawful, and Christian manner without having to resort to legal actions which will cost your taxpayers a lot of money.

Yours Most Sincerely,
Jerald Finney

7I received a response from the city attorney to the above e-mail on 041915 requesting specifics of the location of the incident. I promptly replied and included a link to the Youtube address (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh4h8q_WbkY) of the video of the encounter with the police.

We received back an e-mail from the Minneapolis PD. The e-mail (absent phone nos. and names) was as follows (in red):

Minneapolis [e-mail address removed]; To jerald.finney@sbcglobal.net; April 19, 2015 at 1:18 PM

Dear Jerald,

We appreciate your email.

You can file a complaint against the officer online and I have attached the link to this email [link removed]. You can also call Police conduct for them to review your video at 612-673-5500.

If there is anything else we can help you with please contact us.  Thank you for emailing the City of Minneapolis.

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Pastor Jason filed a complaint on 4/20/15 and will be called Police conduct to have them review the video(s).

If need be, the e-mail addresses for the city council members and city attorney will  be obtained , letters will be e-mailed to them, etc. Hopefully, the actions already initiated will, when completed, resolve this problem.

Pastor Jason Cooley received a letter dated April 30, 2015 from the Minneapolis Office of Police Conduct Review. The following is a picture of that letter:

I will be dealing with the UMPD according to their guidelines (Addressing Concerns or complaints) starting Monday, October 12, 2013 and will supplement this article accordingly. I will begin by trying to handle this informally, but it that does not work, a formal written complaint will be filed.

8Again, as always, these actions are being taken in an effort to settle this matter without having to go to Federal Court. Such action can cost the citizens of Minneapolis (or the University of Minnesota), as well as the department and individual officer(s) involved, a considerable amount of money in attorneys’ fees alone; and all for a hopeless cause the law of which is well established in American law. Of course, should the Chief, the Mayor, the City Council members, and the city attorney fail to respond properly, they, as well as the city, may also become subject to suit.

I e-mailed a letter (click here for online of the letter) and also sent it CMRRR on November 2, 2015 the Minneapolis Mayor, Chief of Police, Lieutenant David Wilske  (Patrol Division, University of Minnesota Police Department), The Ward 2 City Councilman, the Commander of the 2nd Precinct, and the City Attorney

The OPBC street preachers street preached in Dinkeytown and then outside the University of Minnesota football stadium (during and after the Minnesota/Michigan football game) on October 31, 2015.

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I e-mailed a letter of thanks to the appropriate Minneapolis officials on November 2, 2015. Click here to see a copy of that letter.

Officer Wilske courteously replied to my e-mail on November 4, 2015. He stated that he already understood First Amendment speech rights, that he observed a group of street preachers at Dinkeytown and outside the football stadium on October 31, and reminded them that they cannot ” block passage of pedestrians or sidewalks and they understood this and abided by this.”

At this point, the problem seems to have been brought under control. The men of OPBC want to thank Lieutenant Wilske for his courtesy and professionalism in dealing with them and this matter.

See the bias, arrogance, abuse, and lack of legal knowledge of the peace officer at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh4h8q_WbkY.

See the street preachers at the Magus Bookstore Dinkeytown at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dERYyn8rzwk&feature=youtu.be

Other DVD’s taken at the scene are not published online.

The Minneapolis Police have now done their job, to this date (November 23, 2015) when the men of OPBC have street preached there. On November 4, 2015, I received an e-mail from Lieutenant Wilske in which he said that he understood 1st Amendment rights and will refresh the officers memories on this.

The men of OPBC street preaching ministry, as should all citizens of the city of the United States, wish to thank Lieutenant Wilske and the other Minneapolis police officers who respect and obey the law. The freedoms provided for in the Constitution of the United States and lower laws make this a better place to live.

RichardYerby

Moslem question concerning free speech in America with answers from lawyers

Jerald Finney
Copyright © 2015

MohammedCartoonLegal question asked on AVVO on May 12, 2015 from one wanting to know why drawing a cartoon of Mohammed was not the same legally as yelling “Fire” in a crowded theatre with my reply and the reply of some other lawyers with whom I agree.

Asked on AVVO on May 12, 2014 – Dallas, TX

Practice area: Constitutional

See an article on the incident referred to in the above question at: Garland, Texas, Shooting Suspect Linked Himself To ISIS In Tweets (Note. I commend the police for bravely doing their job according to the law. Two of the Muslims, according to the article, “wore body armor. They carried assault rifles. And one had declared loyalty to ISIS.”)

The following was the question:

“Why isn’t the contest to draw Mohammad in Garland Tx recently the same as yelling ‘Fire!’ in a crowded theater and not protected a known hate group held a contest to draw a ‘cartoon’ of the Muslim prophet, Mohammad. In doing so, the group knew full well it would likely result in violence against those attending. In fact, only the Muslim protesting the drawing were killed as they approached the facility armed with weapons.”

The question with all answers can be seen at: Avvo/Moslem Question on Free Speech

My reply on May 12, 2014 (I did not address some of the issues raised in the question since I agreed with some other lawyer responses, some of which are below. Rather, I tried to offer some insights into the differences between certain Islamic beliefs and certain principles of freedom found in the United States Constitution.):

9The religion of Islam has entirely different principles about some matters than does the religion which was responsible for giving the United States freedom of religion, speech, assembly, press, and the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. These freedoms are denied in many Muslim countries where Christians and others are persecuted and/or killed. Prior to the adoption of the Constitution and the First Amendment, all these freedoms were denied in most of the American colonies (as they had been in the Old World where Catholicism or some form of Protestantism combined with the state).

These freedoms are secured by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution which says:

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution.
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

The history of that amendment makes clear that those who were persecuted (tortured, beheaded, drowned, burnt at the stake, buried alive, imprisoned, property confiscated, banished, tortured, etc.) for their refusal to bow down to the state religion were responsible for the adoption of the First Amendment. You can read that history at: https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/contents/online-version-of-the-book-god-betrayed/the-history-of-the-first-amendment/

An abbreviated version is at: https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/contents/books/an-abridged-history-of-the-first-amendment/

[For an understanding of “Christian” and Secular historical revisionism in America see The Trail of Blood of the Martyrs of Jesus by clicking here.]

Anytime religion and state unite, as proven by history, the result is the labeling of those who do not support and embrace the state/religion and “heretics” and their persecution and elimination. At least 50 million of such so-called “heretics” were murdered by the combination of church and state during the reign of Catholicism, and then by Protestant church state unions which adopted the church/state theology of the “mother” church (harlot). Those “heretics” believed in freedom of religion, freedom of conscience, and the other freedoms in the First Amendment. Their beliefs were based upon a literal interpretation of the Bible, not on the “spiritual” interpretations of the Catholic church which basically held that the Bible was open to interpretation by certain “spiritual” people (such as Origin, Augustine, and Thomas Aquinas). Those interpreters paganized and spiritualized, according to their preferences, the great truths of the Bible.

As to the speech issue you mention, the teachings of Islam are fundamentally different from those of those Christian “heretics” who stood against the union of church and state and for freedom of speech, press, religion, and assembly and which resulted in the freedoms in the First Amendment. Many of the Moslems who live in America have brought with them their Muslim beliefs and wish those beliefs to be applied in America. In order for that to happen, American law would have to be fundamentally rewritten.

A cross in a jar of urine is protected speech in America. Other odious depictions of Christ in movies, paintings, signs, etc. are common in America. As a believer, I detest those things, but I also believe in everyone’s right to the freedoms in the First Amendment. I don’t believe in killing anyone for their religious beliefs (as long as those beliefs do not result in murder, stealing, or some other crimes against one’s fellow man). The law protects, and rightfully so, those who express and practice their religious beliefs – even those who criticize other religions, religious leaders, etc.

This answer is not intended as and should not be relied upon as legal advice. Professional legal advice requires…

A good article on Muslim immigration and its effects is: Concerns Of Muslim Immigration Surge Into Western World Come Into Focus (050715)

Reply of Cameron Huey Workers’ Compensation Lawyer – Sacramento, CA:

Answered May 14, 2014. Contrary to popular belief, yelling “fire” in a theater is not the most recent case law on clear and present danger. Schenck v. United States has been superceded by Brandenburg v. Ohio. Hate speech has also been approved as protected by the First Amendment (Virginia v. Black upheld a cross-burning). Hate speech is now akin to viewpoint discrimination. If the “hate group” was prohibited from having a drawing contest of Muhammed, then THEY would sue for violation of free speech rights.

The Constitution doesn’t protect against people being upset. The Constitution protects the speaker’s rights. Yelling “fire” causes panic to a reasonable person. A reasonable person would not have some impulse to hurt or kill other people because their religion/beliefs/opinions are threatened. The fact that they approached the facility armed with weapons WITH THE INTENT of committing a crime against someone who was expressing free speech shows they were in the wrong.

If you want this liberal/progressive defense of free speech that Pamela Gellar and company were engaging in, I suggest you watch some of the debates between supporters of Islam and with progressive TV host Bill Maher.

This answer is not intended as and should not be relied upon as legal advice. Professional legal advice requires…

Reply of Richard Gould-Saltman Family Law Attorney – Los Angeles, CA

Answered 28 minutes ago. Because it’s not illegal to “yell ‘fire’ in a crowded theater”; it’s “illegal to FALSELY yell ‘Fire!’ in a crowded theater”, which results in innocent people doing perfectly legal and reasonable things, and getting injured as a result.

Mounting an armed attack against someone who makes fun of your religion is, in the United States, neither legal nor reasonable, and isn’t innocent; it’s a crime.

This answer is not intended as and should not be relied upon as legal advice. Professional legal advice requires…

Reply of Isabel Humphrey Appeals Lawyer – Phoenix, AZ

Answered a day ago. I think the big difference is that yelling “fire!” in a crowded theater will lead reasonable people to panic and potentially be injured, whereas drawing Mohammed will lead only criminals to react in a way that will cause injury.

This answer is not intended as and should not be relied upon as legal advice. Professional legal advice requires…