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More letters from pastors and others regarding this “Separation of Church and State Law” blog and other matters

Jerald Finney
May 15, 2015

The following is a complete list (with links) to prior publications of letters concerning this blog. Notice the article Letters from Pastors Regarding Hyles/Schaap and Other Articles which was published September 9, 2010, not long after the 2010 Hyles/Schaap articles were published:

050514 More letters from pastors and others regarding this “Separation of Church and State Law” blog
041813 More letters from pastors and others regarding issues raised on this “Separation of Church and State Law” blog
110511 More Letters from Pastors and Others
040511 More Letters from Pastors and Others
121110 More Letters from Pastors and Others concerning this “Separation of Church and State Law” Blog
090610 Letters from Pastors Regarding Hyles/Schaap and Other Articles
041810 More Letters from Pastors in Response to the “Separation of Church and State Law” blog ad My Replies
033010 Letters from Pastors in Response to the “Separation of Church and State Law” blog ad My Replies
102309 What Pastors are Saying in Response to this blog 

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9Contents:

Note. A “+” represents a supportive letter, a “-” a negative letter, and neither + nor minus a neutral letter

  1. Introduction
  2. () No. 1: Legal question asked on AVVO on May 12, 2015 from one wanting to know why drawing a cartoon of Mohammed was not the same legally as yelling “Fire” in a crowded theatre with my reply and the reply of some other lawyers with whom I agree.
  3. () No. 2: Letter received from [] wanting to know how a pastor reports his earnings/pay with my reply, his reply and my reply to his reply
  4. () No. 3: E-mail letter from [] received on December 1, 2014 concerning setting up a church as a corporation sole as recommended by churchfreedom.org and my reply.
  5. (+) No. 4: E-mail letter received October 7, 2014 concerning some complex church incorporation matters and my reply.
  6. (+)No. 5: E-mail letter of encouragement and prayer requet received from Pastor Kefhah in Kenya on February 3, 2014, my reply, and his reply to my reply.
  7. (+) No. 6: E-mail received from [] on September 26, 2013 complimenting the website and my reply.
  8. (+) E-mail received on August 27, 2013 from a great brother in Christ, Brother Rick Bagwell commenting on various matters including First Baptist of Hammond/Jack Hyles.
  9. (+) No. 8: Facebook comment from Brother Stanley Rogers.
  10. (+) No. 9 received on from Frank R. May 19, 2013 on Facebook.
  11. (+) No. 10: E-mail from “Bev” on January 22, 2013 concerning website layout and content and my reply.

1. Introduction

This article presents more comments, concerns, and questions from pastors and others concerning articles on this blog and other matters, and my replies. These e-mail letters not only raise important questions which need to be addressed, but also give insights into the thoughts of pastors and other believers and non-believers.

MohammedCartoon2. No. 1: Legal question asked on AVVO on May 12, 2015 from one wanting to know why drawing a cartoon of Mohammed was not the same legally as yelling “Fire” in a crowded theatre with my reply and the reply of some other lawyers with whom I agree.

Asked on AVVO on May 12, 2014 – Dallas, TX

Practice area: Constitutional

See an article on the incident referred to in the above question at: Garland, Texas, Shooting Suspect Linked Himself To ISIS In Tweets (Note. I commend the police for bravely doing their job according to the law. Two of the Muslims, according to the article, “wore body armor. They carried assault rifles. And one had declared loyalty to ISIS.”)

The following was the question:

“Why isn’t the contest to draw Mohammad in Garland Tx recently the same as yelling ‘Fire!’ in a crowded theater and not protected a known hate group held a contest to draw a ‘cartoon’ of the Muslim prophet, Mohammad. In doing so, the group knew full well it would likely result in violence against those attending. In fact, only the Muslim protesting the drawing were killed as they approached the facility armed with weapons.”

My reply on May 12, 2014 (I did not address some of the issues raised in the question since I agreed with some other lawyer responses, some of which are below. Rather, I tried to offer some insights into the differences between certain Islamic beliefs and certain principles of freedom found in the United States Constitution.):

The religion of Islam has entirely different principles about some matters than does the religion which was responsible for giving the United States freedom of religion, speech, assembly, press, and the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. These freedoms are denied in many Muslim countries where Christians and others are persecuted and/or killed. Prior to the adoption of the Constitution and the First Amendment, all these freedoms were denied in most of the American colonies (as they had been in the Old World where Catholicism or some form of Protestantism combined with the state).

These freedoms are secured by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution which says:

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

The history of that amendment makes clear that those who were persecuted (tortured, beheaded, drowned, burnt at the stake, buried alive, imprisoned, property confiscated, banished, tortured, etc.) for their refusal to bow down to the state religion were responsible for the adoption of the First Amendment. You can read that history at: https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/contents/online-version-of-the-book-god-betrayed/the-history-of-the-first-amendment/

An abbreviated version is at: https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/contents/books/an-abridged-history-of-the-first-amendment/

Anytime religion and state unite, as proven by history, the result is the labeling of those who do not support and embrace the state/religion as “heretics” and their persecution and elimination by the state/religion or state/church combination. At least 50 million of such so-called “heretics” were murdered by the combination of church and state during the reign of Catholicism, and then by Protestant church state unions which adopted the church/state theology of the “mother” church (harlot). Millions of those “heretics,” based upon their biblical beliefs, stood for freedom of religion, freedom of conscience, and the other freedoms which were later guaranteed in America by the First Amendment. Their beliefs were based upon a literal interpretation of the Bible, not on the “spiritual” interpretations of the Catholic church which basically held that the Bible was open to interpretation by certain “spiritual” people (such as Origin, Augustine, and Thomas Aquinas). Those interpreters paganized and spiritualized, according to their preferences, the great truths of the Bible. Protestant churches adopted that part of Catholic theology led by Luther, Zwingli, Knox, etc.

As to the speech issue you mention, the teachings of Islam are fundamentally different from those of those Christian “heretics” who stood against the union of church and state and for freedom of speech, press, religion, and assembly and which resulted in the freedoms in the First Amendment. Many of the Moslems who live in America have brought with them their Muslim beliefs and wish those beliefs to be applied in America. In order for that to happen, American law would have to be fundamentally rewritten.

A cross in a jar of urine is protected speech in America. Other odious depictions of Christ in movies, paintings, signs, etc. are common in America. As a believer, I detest those things, but I also believe in everyone’s right to the freedoms in the First Amendment. I don’t believe in killing anyone for their religious beliefs (as long as those beliefs do not result in murder, stealing, or some other crimes against one’s fellow man). The law protects, and rightfully so, those who express and practice their religious beliefs – even those who criticize other religions, religious leaders, etc.

This answer is not intended as and should not be relied upon as legal advice. Professional legal advice requires…

A good article on Muslim immigration and its effects is: Concerns Of Muslim Immigration Surge Into Western World Come Into Focus (050715)

Reply of Cameron Huey Workers’ Compensation Lawyer – Sacramento, CA

Answered May 14, 2014. Contrary to popular belief, yelling “fire” in a theater is not the most recent case law on clear and present danger. Schenck v. United States has been superceded by Brandenburg v. Ohio. Hate speech has also been approved as protected by the First Amendment (Virginia v. Black upheld a cross-burning). Hate speech is now akin to viewpoint discrimination. If the “hate group” was prohibited from having a drawing contest of Muhammed, then THEY would sue for violation of free speech rights.

The Constitution doesn’t protect against people being upset. The Constitution protects the speaker’s rights. Yelling “fire” causes panic to a reasonable person. A reasonable person would not have some impulse to hurt or kill other people because their religion/beliefs/opinions are threatened. The fact that they approached the facility armed with weapons WITH THE INTENT of committing a crime against someone who was expressing free speech shows they were in the wrong.

If you want this liberal/progressive defense of free speech that Pamela Gellar and company were engaging in, I suggest you watch some of the debates between supporters of Islam and with progressive TV host Bill Maher.

This answer is not intended as and should not be relied upon as legal advice. Professional legal advice requires…

Reply of Richard Gould-Saltman Family Law Attorney – Los Angeles, CA

Answered 28 minutes ago. Because it’s not illegal to “yell ‘fire’ in a crowded theater”; it’s “illegal to FALSELY yell ‘Fire!’ in a crowded theater”, which results in innocent people doing perfectly legal and reasonable things, and getting injured as a result.

Mounting an armed attack against someone who makes fun of your religion is, in the United States, neither legal nor reasonable, and isn’t innocent; it’s a crime.

This answer is not intended as and should not be relied upon as legal advice. Professional legal advice requires…

Reply of Isabel Humphrey Appeals Lawyer – Phoenix, AZ

Answered a day ago. I think the big difference is that yelling “fire!” in a crowded theater will lead reasonable people to panic and potentially be injured, whereas drawing Mohammed will lead only criminals to react in a way that will cause injury.

This answer is not intended as and should not be relied upon as legal advice. Professional legal advice requires…

3. No. 2 :Letter received from [] wanting to know how a pastor reports his earnings/pay with my reply, his reply and my reply to his reply

[] To me; April 30, 2015 at 12:55 AM

Dear Mr. Finney:

There is something I am not seeing in your materials thus far.  How exactly does a pastor report his “earnings/pay?”

For example, let’s just say that a pastor receives $100,000 from the members in a year: If the IRS comes to him, how should he be reporting this?

Regards,

[]

My reply

My pastor reports all support as “other income” when filing his income tax. I am cc’ing this to him just to make sure I am correct.

JERALD C. FINNEY
Born Again Believer, Historic Baptist, Attorney at Law
Mail: P.O. Box 1346; Austin, Texas 78767
Office: 700 Lavaca; Ste. 1400
Phone: (512) 808-5529 (O); (512)385-0761 (H) ; 512-785-8445 (C)
Fax: (512)385-0761
E-mail: jerald.finney@sbcglobal.net

His Reply to my Reply

[] To me CC Pastor Jason Cooley; Today at 11:38 AM

Dear Mr. Finney:

Thank you for answering my first question. I hope you wouldn’t mind answering another.

Let’s say a church has the DOT establishing the ordinary trust. They go to a bank to open an account. The bank will require a TIN (tax id number). Will this be the Pastor’s TIN? Or will/can the trust have a TIN?

Regards,
[]

My Reply to his reply

Dear Mr. [],

I am just a sinner saved by grace. I am a nobody – just a lawyer trying to please God in a God-called ministry. I love God, and my fellow man, which obviously means I love you. I wish to speak to you honestly and straightforward. I do not wish to sound arrogant or rude. I wish to humbly help all those who come to me seeking advice in church-state matters. Even though the answers to your question (and the one before it) are simple, there are many others that must be answered in the process of ordering a church according to the principles of the New Testament. Therefore, certain groundwork must be laid before proceeding.

The purpose of this ministry is to glorify God. One must know a lot about the intricacies of Bible principles and law to make sure he glorifies God by doing nothing in the legal system which violates principles in the Bible. One can do the Bible and legal study himself or he can depend upon someone else.

If he does it himself, he can then apply what he has learned by ordering a church accordingly. He must be diligent to honor God in the process.

If he wants to depend upon someone else, he must trust that person. In this case, if you and I (or someone else who was well versed in these matters) were to agree that your spiritual beliefs and mine (or someone else with whom you consult) are consistent, and if you trusted me, you could choose to allow me to organize your church under the DOT. Of course, you would need to do enough study to satisfy yourself that the principles were both biblical and legal; that the legal was consistent with the biblical. Let me assure you that there are many so-called ministries out there who are depended upon by others in the matter of church organization who don’t know what they are doing; they are misleading many good men of God into various methods of church organization which dishonor God by violating Bible principles. Some of those ministries are led by men who purport to be legal scholars or authorities, but who have never been to law school and are also full time pastors, lobbyists, teachers, etc. No one can really master more than one or two difficult endeavors, and one should be willing to pay the price (thousands of hours of study and practice) before setting out to counsel others about a matter so preeminent as church organization. A person who is seeking help should trust no one until he has enough Bible and legal understanding to determine whether he is being misled.

Before proceeding, I need to know things such as, for example:

  • Who you are (name, address, phone number)?
  • Why are you asking these question?
  • What is your salvation testimony?
  • What church are you a member of?
  • What are your basic spiritual beliefs?
  • Why are you inquiring about these matters?
  • Do you agree with the earmarks of a New Testament (First Amendment) church?
  • What do you believe about church legal entity versus spiritual entity status?

First, if you wish to continue this dialogue, would you answer the above questions? Would you mind going to the following link and letting me know if you agree with the earmarks of a New Testament (First Amendment) church?:

https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/contents/books/pdf-of-quick-reference-guide-for-churches-seeking-to-organize-according-to-new-testament-principles/

The earmarks are on page 1.

When one goes to a lawyer for help, he should trust that lawyer. Once he decides to employ that lawyer, he will have to depend, to a great extent upon the competence of the lawyer. Of course the lawyer should discuss the basic law and facts with the new client, but to fully explain all the intricacies of the procedural and substantive law to every client would be an impossibility since the law is very complicated. It takes years of study and practice to become fully competent in any given area of law.

The lawyer will ask questions such as name, address phone number of prospective client and the facts of the matter for which the seeks advice or help. If the person hires the lawyer, the lawyer will rely upon knowledge which he has spent thousands of hours acquiring as well as further research and study if needed for specific factual situations.

These same principles apply to the subject of New Testament church organization, even more than to secular matters. The same principles apply in carrying out this ministry. I have spent untold thousands of hours studying the Bible principles and law of separation of church and state. I can answer what are to me simple questions from an unknown source but that is not a wise thing to do since a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. One must—in order to glorify God,  correctly fit together the entirety of the relevant Bible principles  and civil law—do diligent extensive study of the Bible, history, and man’s law.

I recently redrafted the Resolution Adopting the Declaration of Trust and the Declaration of Trust of Old Paths Baptist Church because the original Declaration has a flaw which left open the argument that the church was a legal entity. I did not do the original Declaration of Old Paths Baptist Church. I believe the new Resolution and Declaration are solid in every respect. I say that to let you know that you must have a lot of knowledge and experience in order to maximize the chances that you have made no mistakes when you organize a church. Just knowing the answer to a couple of simple questions does not mean that one is ready to correctly order a church.

JERALD C. FINNEY
BBB, Historic Baptist, BBA, JD
Mail: P.O. Box 1346; Austin, Texas 78767
Office: 700 Lavaca; Ste. 1400
Phone: (512) 808-5529 (O); (512)385-0761 (H) ; 512-785-8445 (C)
Fax: (512)385-0761
E-mail: jerald.finney@sbcglobal.net

P.S. Let me add that there are those Pastors who believe that they should not pay income tax, since they depend entirely upon gifts from others. The churches they pastor do not pay them a salary. The IRS Code section 102 says that gifts are not taxable. So those pastors are not breaking the law. However, my pastor’s conviction is that he wishes to report even gifts. Some pastors are in the tax-protest movement. That is not a fight I wish to get involved with. The Lord has not convicted me on that matter. I could say a lot more about that, but I will leave it at that for now. Section 102 says:

(a) General rule
Gross income does not include the value of property acquired by gift, bequest, devise, or inheritance.
(b) Income
Subsection (a) shall not exclude from gross income—
(1) the income from any property referred to in subsection (a); or
(2) where the gift, bequest, devise, or inheritance is of income from property, the amount of such income.
Where, under the terms of the gift, bequest, devise, or inheritance, the payment, crediting, or distribution thereof is to be made at intervals, then, to the extent that it is paid or credited or to be distributed out of income from property, it shall be treated for purposes of paragraph (2) as a gift, bequest, devise, or inheritance of income from property. Any amount included in the gross income of a beneficiary under subchapter J shall be treated for purposes of paragraph (2) as a gift, bequest, devise, or inheritance of income from property.

(c) Employee gifts
(1) In general
Subsection (a) shall not exclude from gross income any amount transferred by or for an employer to, or for the benefit of, an employee.
(2) Cross references
For provisions excluding certain employee achievement awards from gross income, see section 74 (c).
For provisions excluding certain de minimis fringes from gross income, see section 132 (e).

4. No. 3: E-mail letter from [] received on December 1, 2014 concerning setting up a church as a corporation sole as recommended by churchfreedom.org and my reply.

Greetings Mr. Finney,

My name is []. I want to thank you for setting up your website with all of the free information concerning 501c3 etc. I know in the near future God is going to have me start a church. My motive for starting one is for the truth of Gods word being preached and taught correctly. Right now I am doing research and I understand to stay away from 501c3.

However I came across a website called: churchfreedom.org and they seem to be a strong proponent of corporation sole. I wanted to know your perspective on this. Can I still be trapped by the govt. if I was to go the route of corporation sole? Or would I be better protected by establishing a church not tied to anything (just like having church in my house)? I am still ignorant in these matters and I just want to get a complete understanding before I begin. Thank you for your time. Peace and blessings in Jesus. Sent from my iPad

My reply: December 1, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Note. Since receiving this e-mail, I have done a comprehensive booklet explaining the problems with the corporation sole method of organization. The booklet is free at the following web address:

https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/2015/01/31/introduction/

Dear Brother,

Thanks for your e-mail. Please feel free to contact me concerning this matter.  My cell phone is 512-785-8445. Call anytime & if you get a VM, leave a message & I’ll call you back asap.

I would be glad to talk with you over the phone (or in person were that possible), look at the website (1churchfreedom.org) and show you some of the problems with their suggested method. This subject is too vast to answer in a simple e-mail. I am totally against the use of corp. sole by churches; so against it that I turned down a lucrative offer from one of the companies which pushes church corp. sole to work for them as legal counsel.

After quickly browsing churchfreedom.org (about 5 minutes of less) I quickly spotted inaccurate statements as well as several flaws with their method. Please permit me to point out just one of their suggestions that is fatal to New Testament church status. They suggest an affidavit from the church which attests that ”  they are a bona fide Church that lives up to the IRS’s own 14 point test.” That one thing shows me that these people do not understand what they are talking about for several reasons. The following paragraph tells you what the 14 part IRS points are.

In attempting to define “church,” the IRS has “given certain characteristics [14 criteria] which are generally attributed to churches” ().IRS Publication 1828 (2007), p. 23.  The court has recognized that 14-part test in determining whether a religious organization was a church. The 14 criteria are:

“(1) a distinct legal existence;
“(2) a recognized creed and form of worship;
“(3) a definite and distinct ecclesiastical government;
“(4) a formal code of doctrine and discipline;
“(5) a distinct religious history;
“(6) a membership not associated with any other church or denomination;
“(7) an organization of ordained ministers;
“(8) ordained ministers selected after completing prescribed studies;
“(9) a literature of its own;
“(10) established places of worship;
“(11) regular congregations;
“(12) regular religious services;
“(13) Sunday schools for religious instruction of the young;
“(14) schools for the preparation of its ministers.” American Guidance Foundation, Inc. v. United States , 490 F. Supp. 304 (D.D.C. 1980).

Obviously, a church should never depend upon the IRS or any government agency for the definition of a church. Notice that the IRS uses their 14-part test in determining whether a religious organization is a church. A New Testament church cannot also be a religious organization. If you want further explanation, call me.

Of course, some of the IRS attributes are consistent with Bible church doctrine, some are not. For example, the first one (a distinct legal existence) is definitely against Bible principle. A church cannot have a “legal existence” and be a New Testament church. I deal with this matter extensively online in some of my writings (Some of which are also available in softback and Kindle. All the books are online in PDF form.). Another quick point is that a New Testament church cannot be tax exempt – she must be non-taxable. The churchfreedom.org method will not only displease God, but it will also leave a church vulnerable to the requirements of 501c3. See my online article “Church Internal Revenue Code § 508 Tax Exempt Status” which is at https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/church-internal-revenue-code-%C2%A7-508-tax-exempt-status/THESE CONSIDERATIONS ALONE COMPLETELY DISQUALIFY THE USE OF THE churchfreedom.org METHODOLOGY BY A CHURCH WHO WISHES TO PLEASE GOD AND ORGANIZE ACCORDING TO NEW TESTAMENT PRINCIPLES.

The above is sufficient to Scripturally disqualify the churchfreedom.org methodology but it is just the tip of the iceberg. On the other hand, the method recommended by this Old Paths Baptist Church “Separation of Church and State Law” ministry covers all the bases, meets all biblical requirements for a New Testament church, and keeps the church under God only so that the church remains a non-legal entity.

The last paragraph naturally raises other questions. Again, I do not have time to write a book on this, but let me assure you that I can direct you to free online writing and/or audio teachings which will give complete Bible based answers. I will give you short answers in discussions, and will direct you to resources which will give in-depth answers.

My cell phone is 512-785-8445. Call anytime & if you get a VM, leave a message & I’ll call you back asap.

I CHARGE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR HELPING OTHER BELIEVERS AS THEY SEEK ANSWERS TO THESE VERY IMPORTANT MATTERS.

For His Glory,
Jerald Finney

5. No. 4: E-mail letter received October 7, 2014 concerning some complex church incorporation matters and my reply.

Good morning Mr. Finney.

My name is [] on and I pastor [] Church in [], Washington.  I found your name and addy online somewhere (don’t exactly remember the site) and decided you might be able to clear some things up for me, if it’s not too much trouble.

I am attaching a document that I found to be very interesting, especially in  light of our society and government today.  I was hoping you could shed some light on this matter of Church Incorporation for me.  Is it necessary to allow governing agencies access to the church, or even profitable to do so?

Here in Washington State, many churches seem to enroll themselves not only with the 503 stuff but with a governmental department called LAbor and Industries.  L & I for short.  This particular group has stated that the “Pastor/Staff” of the church are considered “employees” and must follow “business” practices such as submitting actual hours worked. I believe this is how they determine how much the Workers Compensation insurance will cast the church.  I am more concerned with allow them access to the church records.

The attachment seems to be legit and I for one agree with it.  But that and $5 here in Washington may get you a cup of coffee (Starbucks of course).

I would appreciate any light you might be willing to share with me on this matter.

I would also appreciate your acknowledgement of this email.  One never knows what gets lost in cyberspace.

Pastor []

My Reply

Dear Pastor Olson,

Thank you for your interest in these most important matters. I would be glad to answer your questions in a phone conversation. Please  call me at the number below should you wish to discuss your questions. I can only give short answers in such a conversation. I cannot fully explain the reasons for what I say in a short conversation. I humbly submit that to answer your questions would require a college course covering the biblical doctrines of church, government, separation of church and state, the history of the First Amendment (one must understand that history in order to understand the First Amendment and the Religion Clause of that amendment),  incorporation and 501c3 status, and how a church in the U.S. can operated under the First Amendment only and do things God’s way totally outside government control as long as the church members or a church member do(es) not commit a crime or illegally damage another person. The First Amendment protects churches who operate outside government control. Churches who incorporate or become legal entities in any way and/or get 501c3 status lose much of their First Amendment protections; and they also violate New Testament principles regarding church, state, and separation of church and state. That is the bad news.

The good news is that I have covered all these matters in great detail in my books, articles, and audio teachings. Those materials provide the basis for understanding it all. It still requires study, but a lot less study than doing from scratch the tremendous amount of research and study needed to understand these matters.

Everyone is welcome to study my materials and tell me if they believe I am wrong. I will listen. As to biblical matters, I will only listen to arguments based upon biblical teaching. If someone can show me where my legal or historical assertions are incorrect, I will repent and publicly correct my error. As to the application of legal issues to biblical principles, the same applies.

I suggest that a good place for one to start is the book Separation of Church and State/God’s Churches: Spiritual or Legal Entities? It is a relatively short, concise book for the interested student.

To fully understand all the issues, I suggest God Betrayed/Separation of Church and State: The Biblical Principles and the American Application.

I also have a book on Romans 13 and related verses.

All the above and more is available free online, The books can also be ordered. The online editions have been updated as my teachings have been modified as to some matters. See the P.S. below for info.

As to the article you attached, I believe it is from the Ecclesiastical Law Center. Much of what they state in the article is correct. I quickly browsed the article, but do not have time to do an analysis. I have read one of their books and heard the lectures of their leader. They are right about some matters but wrong about others. I certainly would not recommend them because they are misleading and wrong about certain very important of their teachings.

Feel free to call me. If you get a voicemail, please leave a message and I will return your call ASAP. Please keep in mind that I still practice law as well as lead this “Separation of Church and State Law” ministry.

For His Glory,

Jerald Finney
Cell: 512-385-0761

P.S.   The following is from the “Contents” page of opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com. [I copied and pasted the “Contents” page here. That page is at the following web address: https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/contents/%5D

6. No. 5: E-mail letter of encouragement and prayer requet received from Pastor Kefhah in Kenya on February 3, 2014, my reply, and his reply to my reply.

Dear Servants of God,

If My people who are called by My name WILL HUMBLE THEMSELVES,AND PRAY AND SEEK MY FACE,AND TURN FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS,THEN I WILL HEAR FROM HEAVEN,AND WILL FORGIVE THEIR SIN AND HEAL THEIR LAND.

Good servants and committed to the work of God.

Please we are happy to join you in your ministry as we love your teachings at your website.please we are a young Christian fellowship in Kenya as we pray that you may add as into your churches.

Micah 4:1-2 In the last days the mountain of the LORD’S temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and peoples will stream to it. Many nations will say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

PRAYER,FATHER.Lead me day by day Even in Thine own sweet way;Teach me to be pure and true;Show me what I ought to do.When I am tempted to do wrong,Make me steadfast,Wise and strong And When all alone I stand,Shield me Thy mighty hand May I see the good and bright When they pass before my sight.May I hear the heavenly voice when the pure and Wise rejoice Amen.

Thank you in Christ and please make us to know God more.

God’s blessings be upon you, your family, church and ministry.  Thank you so very much for your kind words and your willingness that your teachings at your website.  God means for His people to be one body and it is so refreshing to see this going on with the of you.

WONDERFUL Indeed it is that all of you are working together to evangelize here and to start a new church here.

God bless all of you with His love, wisdom and enable me to do all He has called you to do.

Sincerely Pastor Kefhah.

My Reply

Dear Pastor Kefhah,

Your spirit inspired e-mail is a great encouragement! It is truly a blessing to see that this website is being followed all over the world except in closed countries such as China and North Korea where it is not available. The website provides a listing of views which includes the countries of origin of the views.

May the Lord richly bless you as you serve him and fight the spiritual battles he has called us to fight. You are in my prayers.

May I publish your letter below as a testimonial on the website? I can take out your identifying information if you desire.

I have prayed that the Lord will bless you and your work mightily. I will continue to pray for you.

Also, should the Lord lead you to write anything concerning the biblical doctrine of separation of church and state or any insights relating to that subject specifically as to the nation of Kenya and your ministry, please let me know. Perhaps I can publish it on the website, with your permission of course.

God bless you and yours!

Please forgive me for taking so long to answer-I have been very busy.

For His Glory,
|Brother Jerald Finney

Pastor Kefha’s Reply to My Reply:

Dearest Servant of the most High God Brother Jerald,

The Good News of Salvation!!!

“The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me,
Because the Lord has anointed Me
To preach good tidings to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives,
And the opening of the prison to those who are bound;
To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord,
And the day of vengeance of our God;
To comfort all who mourn,ISAIAH 61:1-2.

I thank you most sincerely for the appreciation of my email and for the encouragement you have given me on the same.If I have set light and the light is for the truth of salvation,Let the light shine all places in the world.

I therefore permit you to put my testimony in the website so that it can be read anywhere in the world.

Kindly be praying for us in Kenya more so my church followers and the orphans as we also pray for you.

Be blessed,

yours servant of God Pastor Kefhah.

7. No. 6: E-mail received from [] on September 26, 2013 complimenting the website and my reply.

Hey! Someone in my Facebook group shared this site with us so I came to give it a look. I’m definitely enjoying the information. I’m bookmarking and will be tweeting this to my followers! Exceptional blog and wonderful design and style.

My Reply

Thank you so much for the very kind feedback. May the Lord richly bless you and yours.

Jerald

8. No. 7: E-mail received on August 27, 2013 from a great brother in Christ, Brother Rick Bagwell commenting on various matters including First Baptist of Hammond/Jack Hyles.

From: Rick Bagwell <firstladlemen@yahoo.com>
To: Greg Dixon <drgregdixon@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 11:10 AM
Subject: Fw: The Trumpet Online

The Bible clearly speaks of children being taught in the home. Also if we use Ceasars money we must return unto his that which is his. How did Jesus teach? From the seaside in boats on the street corners, etc. He never had a building fund. The Bible says if TWO or MORE are gathered in MY NAME there I will be also. Then we have the stories of the old brush harbors. The Bible also says to go into the highways and byways and compel them to come in. If we depend on God to provide a meeting place it would be a TREMENDOUSLY BETTER one than what the god of money can provide. Is it buildings that we strive for or the souls of men? Let not the government convey to us how we should meet or where and let God provide and show the way. When I hear of public school closings I praise the Lord for we know what they teach and fail to teach. When they kicked God and reading of HIS word and prayer out of public schools that’s when the schools SHOULD have been closed to begin with. So why are we ruled by the god of money anyway? Are we Christian Soldiers? What weapons of warfare has God told us about in HIS word? We DO NOT need Satan’s money. We can teach without it. Paul was a tentmaker and a soul winner/teacher, teaching Gods word. God will provide a way. The Church is going underground as it did decades ago. Are Churches known by God and their titles such as Baptist or Methodist? Or are they known by the preachers who Lord over them? {First Baptist Church of Hammond/Jack Hyles} [ Hyles Anderson College] Just where is the GLORY given to God in such titles? See the problem??? Now you see God has the solution. He will use the enemy to close such Churches and Schools or they will teach the devils agenda. Why don’t Christians have their own money or means? Does God not own the cattle on a thousand hills the wealth in EVERY MINE? God will win the battle before we even enter the war.

Brother Rick Bagwell
Isaiah 40:31
The Beacon Light Baptist

9. No. 8: Facebook comment from Brother Stanley Rogers.

Tonight at Woodbridge Baptist we are continuing our study through the book of Romans. We will begin Chapter 13. This has been an exciting and encouraging study for me. I want to thank Brother Jason Cooley and Brother Jerald Finney for their tireless efforts of teaching the proper rolls of Church and State. Their messages on this subject have been an encouragement to me. Come on and join us in this study. You just might get your heart stirred to proclaim and stand for your Heavenly Citizenship!

10. No. 9 received on from Frank R. May 19, 2013 on Facebook.

It’s nearly impossible to find well-informed people on this subject, but you seem like you know what you’re talking about!
Thanks

11. No. 10: E-mail from “Bev” on January 22, 2013 concerning website layout and my reply.

I was wondering if you ever thought of changing the layout of your site? Its very well written; I love what youve got to say.

But maybe you could a little more in the way of content so people could connect with it better. Youve got an awful lot of text for only having one or two pictures. Maybe you could space it out better?

My Reply to Letter No. (On January 28, 2013)

Thanks for the suggestions. I had been thinking about the very issues you raised. I just did some changes. If you have the time, maybe you can tell me whether the new template is better than the old one.

I do everything myself. This is a ministry with me. Therefore, no income is produced and I try to keep expenses to a minimum. The expenses are all born by me, and I really don’t have money to spend to get a professional to set up my website.

I just returned from a week of travel, visiting families, churches, etc., speaking on the issues of the ministry. I paid for all expenses and it was all done for free.

Again, thanks so much and may the Lord richly bless you and yours.

For His Glory!

Jerald Finney

P.S. Since getting this e-mail, I have continued to make changes. For example, I have gone back and added pictures to many of the articles/chapters. Eventually, I may update them all.

More letters from pastors and others regarding “Separation of Church and State Law” issues

Jerald Finney
May 4, 2014

The following is a complete list (with links) to prior publications of letters concerning this blog. Notice the article Letters from Pastors Regarding Hyles/Schaap and Other Articles which was published September 9, 2010, not long after the 2010 Hyles/Schaap articles were published:

041813 More letters from pastors and others regarding issues raised on this “Separation of Church and State Law” blog

110511 More Letters from Pastors and Others

040511 More Letters from Pastors and Others

121110 More Letters from Pastors and Others concerning this “Separation of Church and State Law” Blog

090610 Letters from Pastors Regarding Hyles/Schaap and Other Articles

041810 More Letters from Pastors in Response to the “Separation of Church and State Law” blog ad My Replies

033010 Letters from Pastors in Response to the “Separation of Church and State Law” blog ad My Replies

102309 What Pastors are Saying in Response to this blog

To download a document, right click the link, then left click “Download Linked File” or “Download Linked File As.”

Contents:

Note. A “+” represents a supportive letter, a “-” a negative letter, and neither + nor minus a neutral letter

I. Introduction
II. (+)
Letter no. 1 received from Brother Rick Bagwell in response to article “Monumental ‘666-CLA’ Sermon that was attacked by Satan” received on May 2, 2014 regarding a letter he received from a youth pastor regarding the relationship of church, the believer, and the state
a
. My Reply to Brother Rick’s letter above
b. Brother Rick’s reply to my reply
III. (+) Letter no. 2 received on February 28, 2014 from Pastor William Raymond from  regarding “The Folly of all so-called Christian Patriot Remedies and a ‘Better’ Human Government”and my reply.
IV. (-) Letter no. 3 received on February 24, 2014 from [man] asking for a sample trust document with replies back and forth between he and I.
V. (+)
Letter no. 4 received on Facebook on November 27, 2013 regarding church 501c3 status and other matters and my reply.
VI. (+)
Letter no. 5 received on September 23, 2013 from [man] commenting upon article American Abuse of Romans 13.1-2 and Related Verses
VII. ()
Letter no. 6 received on October 1, 2013 from [man]  regarding “starting a church” and and my reply
VIII. (+)
Letter no. 7 received from Joshua Joscelyn on Facebook on July 22, 2013 regarding a friend who believes in theocracy and marriage of church/state, that abuses of that doctrine doesn’t mean the doctrine is wrong and asking about “the best biblical base for liberty of conscience” with replies back and forth between Joshua and I
IX. (+) Letter no. 8 received on July 3, 2013 from Rev. Paul Wayne Flotz on “trouble in the assemblies” and my reply
X. () Letter No. 9 received on June 13, 2013 from [woman] on “as pastor’s view 501c3″ and my reply
XI. (+) Letter no. 10 from Brother Stanly Rogers on Facebook regarding church Bible studies on Romans 13
XII. (+) Letter No. 11 received on April 11, 2012 from Elwood Hays, an old and dear friend concerning this “Separation of Church and State Law Ministry” and my reply
XIII. Letter no. 12 received on July 28, 2011 from [Steve, a church member of a church in Ohio] concerning liability of church members of an unincorporated church with replies back and forth between he and I
XIV. (+)Letter no. 13 received on June 4, 2011 from Pastor Brandon Teague regarding Pastor Jason Cooley’s sermon “Whose House Is It Anyway” and my reply
XV. (+) Letter no. 14 received on May 3, 2011 from Brandon, expressing concerns because of inconsistency of his pastor’s preaching concerning headship of Christ over His church yet the church is incorporated and my reply
XVI. Letter no. 15 received on March 13, 2011 from [] on “how can a church be set up and own property?”

I. Introduction

This article presents more e-mails from pastors and others with their comments, concerns, and questions concerning articles on this blog, and my replies to those e-mails. These e-mail letters not only raise important questions which need to be addressed, but also give insights into the thoughts of pastors and other believers and non-believers.

II. Letter no. 1 received from Brother Rick Bagwell in response to article “Monumental ‘666-CLA’ Sermon that was attacked by Satan” received on May 2, 2014 regarding a letter he received from a youth pastor regarding the false fundamental position on 501(c)(3)

Brother Finney I sent an article you sent to me about 666 CLA to an ewelryentl. A Church I am considering joining. I may call you by phone later. Anyway here is his reply. I know he is wrong on many points and don’t know how to explain it to him.

Brother Rick

On Friday, May 2, 2014 12:01 PM, [A youth pastor and heretic on this matter] wrote:

It’s funny how God works. Just this morning I read Romans 13.

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

Rom 13:4 For he (whoever it is that is in charge or in office) is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Rom 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

Rom 13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

Rom 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

I might not like who is in political offices. I might not not like  what is going on in our government or any other government. According to what I read in Romans 13 The very God that created the universe, has put powers (government) in place.

I will exercise my right to vote as an American, but God will have his soverine way. And if he chooses to bless or judge through government, all we should say is “THANK YOU LORD!

Brother Rick

My reply

Dear Brother Rick:

I have totally and biblically proven the arguments of this person to be false (really, his arguments are ludicrous and Satan loves to hear a believer rely on them). If he loves the Lord, and wants to know the truth, he can go to the resources below. He has never studied these matters (that is obvious from his simplistic arguments which are easily shown to be false with honest Bible study). He is a parrot as to these matters. He is simply repeating words that have been taught him. One cannot give easy answers to the deeper things of God which are very important to understand if one is to fight as a good soldier of Christ the spiritual warfare we are commanded to fight.

I recommend to refer him to the following verses:

Ephesians 6:10-20 “Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.  Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.  Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.|”

2 Peter 1:2-10  “Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:  Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.  But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:”

The above are just two of the many verses he needs to look at in regards to these matters. For a comprehensive understanding of the spiritual warfare believers are called to fight, I recommend that you refer him to:

After Salvation

Let me say that a church can choose to operate according to biblical principle without persecution in America because of the First Amendment to the US constitution. Even should a church not decide to do so, that church and the members should continue to operate as God laid out in the New Testament. This is all explained in much detail in my writings. In addition, a believer should “obey God rather than men.”

I recommend, for an understanding of Romans 13, 1 Pe. 2.13, 1 Ti. 2.1-6, Matthew 17.24-27, and the Render unto Caesar argument used by heretics to support unlimited submission to the civil government the following resource:

Romans 13 and related verses 

As to the  correct understanding of the biblical doctrine of government, I recommend the following:

The biblical doctrine of government

As to the  correct understanding of the biblical doctrine of church, I recommend the following:

The biblical doctrine of the church

As to the  correct understanding of the biblical doctrine of separation of church and state, I recommend the following:

The biblical doctrine of separation of church and state

For an understanding of church incorporation and 501c3 I recommend the following:

Church legal issues from a biblical perspective; e.g. church incorporation and 501c3

For an understanding of the position of true believers on the issue of separation of church and state I recommend:

The History of the First Amendment

I doubt he wishes to study these matters. Even our Lord could not get through to the Pharisees, etc. because of they were blinded by the god of this world. Most fundamental Baptist preachers are likewise blinded to many biblical truths because of lack of knowledge, understanding, and wisdom. They have built religious organizations upon human reasoning (really Satanic reasoning because it is not of God and therefore must be of Satan).

Dear Brother Rick, you deserve better than what this man’s church has to offer. You deserve a church that seeks to follow the Lord, not fundmentalism. Yes, God can and does save some in spite of these heretical (some apostate) pastors and churches, but these type pastors and churches are totally out of biblical order. I consider you to be a great man of God and offer this advice in love.

Offer him the resources above, but my guess is that he has neither the time nor desire to know the truth.

For His Glory,

Brother Jerald Finney

Brother Rick’s reply to my reply

Brother Finney I am with you on his ability to listen. He is a Youth Pastor and like MOST preachers/pastors they want to talk but FAIL to listen to the truth. For the most part the Church is Fundamental. When I talked to the Pastor [another individual] I asked him if the Church is 501-C-3 his reply was it is and it isn’t. Now that’s like asking what is your favorite color and someone says PLAID. I believe the Pastor is either trying to go the 501-C-3 route OR he is trying to steer the Church AWAY from it. Not sure.

I have talked to Pastors in the area and they will ignore the question or avoid any sort of dialog on the subject. Actually avoiding me. The Bible says to forsake not the assembly of yourselves together. It also says if two do not agree and so forth. I also talked to the Youth Pastor about Deut. 22:5 he doesn’t think it is wrong for women to wear pants.  They say the Church is NOT Southern Baptist, I found it to have Southern Baptist leanings. Most Churches are Country Clubs. Entertainment is the norm. I shall pray about the matter.

III. Letter no. 2 received on February 28, 2014 from Pastor William Raymond from  regarding “The Folly of all so-called Christian Patriot Remedies and a ‘Better’ Human Government”

The Folly of all so-called Christian Patriot Remedies and a “Better” Human I

In response to several brothers who were kind enough to included me in their discussion of certain so-called Christian Patriot remedies and their much venerated – and in other cases worshiped – American Constitution, I was led of the Lord to reply with the following letter in defense of the Kingdom. Understand, it is never wise to seek to build something in substitution of that which God in His infinite wisdom has already built perfectly for us. Herein lies the folly of all so-called Christian Patriot movement remedies and the human government by Constitution that they hold out to be the cure for all political sickness. In the end they are just as deadly as that which they seek to circumvent, for all human solutions in the end are pure folly.

May the Lord Jesus be lifted up in this message of truth and may we who seek to serve Him in spirit and in truth open our hearts to the profound realities which He protectively hides from the wise and prudent in order to maintain the purity of His Kingdom.

Greeting in Christ Jesus to all,

I have been reading these posts and have come to the conclusion that all proposed remedies I see here amount pretty much to nothing more than various failed attempt to reinvent the wheel. Please let me explain. While you all may have had a victory or two here and there, for the most part all such efforts of men are always destine to fail from the beginning and here’s why. One cannot step out of the Beast’s system and into a governmental vacuum – spiritual or otherwise. There must be another government to receive you and thank God Almighty He has provided us that Government hosted – at least in theory – by the United States Government.

For over 2000 years now we have had the Lord’s perfect solution right in front of our faces and have been looking straight through it! That solution, the Father’s only solution, is His current day Kingdom in the form of the local, community ekklesia: a fully Lawful government upon His shoulder (i.e., His body) that is immune not exempt from the secular (anti-Christ) current provisional government and is officially recognized as such via The First Amendment.

The problem is that the body of Christ, over all this time, has utterly failed her calling and holy appointment to establish that Government which He alone mandated the commissioning of. Although we have the perfect picture and model of that government to draw from as recorded in the New Testament, we, as the body of Christ, have ignored it. Likewise, not only has the body of Christ failed to build upon the foundation He gave us for a place of protection and safety, we have lost essentially everything the early church and apostles did – all the real progress they made – in establishing His Kingdom for this current dispensation. All that’s left 2000+ years later is a powerless and pathetic “Christian religion” of people who have sold their spiritual birthright for a mess of corporate 501 I (3) pottage: literally, a church structure under the legal lordship of the Beast – Satan’s political surrogate! As such, the church has willingly waived her Divine Immunity in Christ in exchange for a state granted exemption that is subject to constant ongoing review and approval.

We were commanded by Christ to “come out of her my people” and “come out from among them” to establish His holy Kingdom (holy meaning separate). Instead, those falsely calling themselves “believers” have invented denominations and religions that are legally joined (unequally yoked) with the dead and have attempted in vain to reform political “parties” and groups who have no interest whatsoever in building the true Kingdom of Christ Jesus. The so-called religious right is a perfect example of this as likewise are all the human fools on the political left.

As you may know, I spent five years at Salem attempting to establish the government of our local community ekklesia there in accordance to the New Testament model. All that came to a grinding halt in 2005 when the church was seized under court order by the New Jersey State Police Counter Terrorism Division and the local sheriff. Kathy and I were arrested under provisions of The Patriot Act and our lives changed forever. I mention this only to establish my spiritual credentials in the matters wherein I speak and to illustrate how relentless the Beast can be even when everything seems to be “in order”.

To my three brothers to whom I reply here: your goals to separate from the world are a good and worthy demonstration of your intent but unless you do so under the clear and specified authority and structure of the Christ’s holy ekklesia – an already established Lawfully recognized government – our Christ cannot bless nor take even partial part in those lesser efforts.

Please understand I mean this criticism in the spirit and love of Christ, nevertheless also in the authority of my calling as His ambassador.

Peace and blessing in the love of Christ Jesus to all,

William Raymond: pastor & ambassador for the Christ

www.thechurchatSalem.info

Some say I am a fool,
And this I say is true.
I am a fool for Christ,
But whose fool are you?

My reply

I agree, Pastor Raymond, on the folly of efforts of so called “Christian Patriots.”

Only Christ will be able to crush the world powers and the beast. It is inevitable that the end times will unfold just as foretold in the word of God. The political and religious beasts will rule for a short time; then, Armeggedon and the establishment of His kingdom here on earth (by our Lord, not by man or by the church on earth, but rather by Him leading his universal assembly to crush the beast and the armies of the world). No church, believer, or group of believers will be able to stop what is coming. All a believer and a church can do here on earth is to operate according to the principles of the word of God in the life and liberty He gives when He saves.

Only a small remnant of professed believers and churches follow Christ. So-called Christians who (1) know nothing about biblical principles for a church, for governments (individual, family, and human or civil), and for the relationship of church and state and (2) follow revisionist history and law, seek to win America back for God. They operate without biblical, historical, or legal knowledge. The are do-gooders who are doing no good (they are doing bad in that they are actually doing the work of anti-Christ) because their activism is without knowledge, wisdom, and understanding.

I was with them in the Republican Party for 20 years. I saw America getting more and more evil in spite of all our efforts. Since I left politics they keep doing the same things while things continue to grow worse at an accelerating rate in the moral cesspool called America. I left political activism when the Lord, through my extensive studies, showed me the folly of what I was doing, and that what I was doing there was not according to wisdom, knowledge, and understanding.

Yet ever seeking, they never come to the knowledge of the truth. The fact is that they are not seeking truth, because they have been blinded by the god of this world.

Their lives are not under God, so how do they hope to bring America back under God?

Their families are not under God, so how do they hope to bring America back under God?

Their churches are not under God, so how do they hope to bring America back under God?

And yet they reject knowledge. Multitudes of so-called believers in America even reject clear biblical teaching on repentance and a changed life after salvation. They reject and criticize Bible teaching and preaching on the subject. In other words, they even take a Satanic position on the fundamental principle of salvation.

But praise the Lord! He has given his children the victory, and they will be victorious even if martyred for the faith, while those professed Christians who have never really been saved bow down to the beast. (See The Voice of the Martyrs, August 2005, p2, “You Will Always Have Your Groupies” which is at the bottom of the following article: Biblical doctrine of the Church)

Even so, come Lord Jesus. I pray the Lord that he will give me the courage to act on my words above if and when the time comes.

For His Glory,

Jerald Finney

IV. Letter no. 3 received on February 24, 2014 from [man] asking for a sample trust document

Would it possible for you to provide me with a sample trust document?

My reply on February 24, 2013

Sorry. Trust documents can be found in the law books. I don’t know you, etc. This is a  ministry for the glory of God and is operated according to biblical order. No insult intended.

Jerald Finney

His reply

OK Mr. Finney, I apologize for bothering you, I won’t make that mistake again. I admire your work and thought you were an attorney. The Glory of God and to operate according to biblical order is my motivation for asking.

My reply

Dear Mr. Trout,

I am an attorney, but I am also a believer and this ministry is for the glory of God and in biblical order through a local New Testament Church. I must make sure I am honoring God. I cannot just send out documents. These are not simple matters.

Are you a pastor? What church do you pastor? What is you testimony as to salvation and your walk with the Lord? Do you wish to organize a church according to New Testament principle? What is your theology as to church organization (I can only help those who agree with biblical teaching on the order, organization, etc. for the local church)? These are some of the questions that one must be prepared to answer should he wish the help of this ministry, but don’t answer these questions now. See below for your next step if you wish to proceed.

Just getting a document is not enough for one to set out to organize according to the guidelines in the NT. One must understand both legal and biblical principles and teachings. I would be doing a disservice to anyone to just send them a document. It is not wise to place a document into the hands of someone who might try to execute the document without wisdom and understanding. If you are a pastor who is following the Lord, you will understand what I am trying to get across to you.

If you wish to proceed, you must follow the order that the Lord has set out for this ministry. That means more than sending an e-mail just asking for a document. Let me know if you wish to know the order of proceeding as to these matters.

Our Lord was man and spoke like a man. So did the apostles. I am trying to follow his example in responding to you.

For His Glory,
Jerald Finney

His reply

I took the Liberty of removing your embedded videos from Utube and links to your website from my website and that of Biblical Law Center so that no one else that you don’t know will bother you either. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Dear Mr. [],

No inconvenience. The Lord is my helper and I will not fear what man does to me. By the way, if you are not saved, please read God’s Plan of Salvation.

If you are saved, please read After Salvation.

The Lord said to love my neighbor as myself. I love you, and hope that if you are lost, you will be saved; and if you are saved that you will grow in knowledge, understanding, and wisdom.

For His Glory,
Jerald Finney

V. Letter no. 4 received on Facebook on November 27, 2013 regarding church 501c3 status and other matters

I’ve wondered about 501 status for some time now, and have had serious concerns. I have just come across a video with you, Pastor Cooley, and Pastor Brandon and I just want to commend you for speaking out in truth. I’ve been studying some law lately, finding a lot of things that are not spoken about. I’m not sure how much experience you have with sovereignty, constitutional law, family law – but I’ve got an open family case that I could use some help with – I’m to the point where I’ve given it to God. The Judge is a fraud, won’t listen to or enforce the statutes, laws – I’ve brought up Supreme Court, case law – Of course, he has violated his oath. If you’ve got any experience, I’d love to have a conversation with you on this. If not, no harm no foul – I still want to commend you for your work exposing the 501c3 trap.

My reply

Thanks for your e-mail and encouragement. I know quite a bit about sovereignty and constitutional law. However, I now limit myself to church and state law (which has a lot to do with sovereignty and constitutional law as well as biblical law and principles) and a limited practice in order to pay my bills. I have never practiced “family” law, so I know little about it.

Thanks for your e-mail. May the Lord bless you as you seek justice in your family case, a very stressful matter for sure.

Jerald

VI. Letter no. 5 received on September 23, 2013 from [man] commenting upon article American Abuse of Romans 13.1-2 and Related Verses

absolutely abused beyond belief! The 13 chapter of romans has almost become a” bible doctrine” of the modern day church at large,it is abused to put it mildly and just look at the people who preach such things!!! Plenty of money credit cards fancy houses, fancy cars clothes,ewelry etc etc, the things all of gods good people have,sic! Sorry bout the scarcasam but really most of these churches that preach this kind of message contain the upper crust of society,and there all held together by a lot of dough,no pun intended people like lawyers,doctors, law enforcement,and even sadly enough military none of these people seem to notice whats up with the truth just whatever is in fashion as far as current law goes…

 

VII. Letter no. 6 received on October 1, 2013 from [man]  regarding “starting a church” 

Hello,

You don’t know me, but my name is [] and I live in Arizona.  I am planning on starting a church in Arizona.  My pastor will be sending me out of our local church to start a new one in another part of the state.  I meet all of the biblical qualifications found in 1 Timothy and elsewhere in the Bible for being a pastor.  I have been reading quite a bit about churches incorporating and even becoming 501I3.  I have read numerous arguments explaining why a church should not incorporate and become a creature of the state.  However, I have not really been able to find any information on how to actually and practically manage the church’s finances from anyone that is against incorporating.  If it does exist, it I either can’t find it or it is being sold and is not available for free.  Unfortunately, I am very limited financially and cannot afford to start buying materials from people that may or may not answer the simple questions I have.

I believe that the pastor of the church is worthy of his hire and ought to be paid by the church for his duties.  This brings about my first question.  How do you handle any income the pastor has from the church, and do you recommend filing any type of paper work with the IRS or any government entity for that matter regarding the compensation received for being pastor?

As a church grows, it is natural that property will be attained that belongs to the church as a collective.  Whether it be vehicles, buildings, tables, chairs, etc.  Without incorporating, how do you establish property ownership, especially if someone were to bring you to court before the unbelievers?  I mean from a legal standpoint, does anything even have to be done to designate that property belongs to an entity if the entity is not recognized by the state?  Maybe I am not correct in my assumption with that last question.  Is an unincorporated church recognized by the state as an entity or organization that can own property?

Finally, I have read conflicting reports on the ability to obtain a bank account for the church without having a tax ID.  I know that money isn’t the focus of the ministry, but I do not see any problems with accepting a personal check as a tithe or offering.  I don’t see how you can accept a check without a bank account.  Do you have any suggestions on how to handle this?  Is it really possible to obtain a bank account in the church’s name without a tax ID?

Thank you for taking the time to read this.  I really did search your site and others for these answers but I could not find it.  Your website has a lot of information so it is possible that I simply missed it.  I did not follow every single link on your website although I tried to find the areas where I thought I might find the answers.  I am just trying to figure out the exact process before I get started.  Any information you can provide is appreciated.

Thanks,
[]

My Reply

Dear Bro. [],

A church can operate according to the principles of the New Testament in America without persecution. If it does so, it is a First Amendment church as well because the First Amendment is in line with biblical principles and guarantees separation of church and state for churches who do not become legal entities.

I know the above paragraph may not make sense to you, and understandably so. The paragraph is understood by me, my pastor, and most of the members of the church I belong to because we have studied both the Bible and law, something that most pastors and believers have never done. Instead, Bible Colleges and most pastors teach “Bible College” principles and not biblical principles.

I have answered your questions in my teachings which are all available free on my website. As of now, these teachings are the result of at least 11 or 12 years of intense study. You must begin to study these matters now if you want to please the Lord. If you trust me, you may call me (see opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com for contact info.), and I will give you the answers to your questions without explaining them. In order to explain these matters fully to anyone, I would have to give a college or postgrad level course or courses.

One problem with many pastors and believers is that they do not take the time to study (not read lightly or once over) the deeper things of God. My pastor, Pastor Jason Cooley, has done the study needed to understand these issues, so I know it can be done. Please do not proceed until you have the correct answers to your questions. Whether you glorify God or not is in the balance.

For His Glory,
Jerald Finney

VIII. Letter no. 7 received from Joshua Joscelyn on Facebook on July 22, 2013 regarding a friend who believes in theocracy and marriage of church/state, that abuses of that doctrine doesn’t mean the doctrine is wrong and asking about “the best biblical base for liberty of conscience”

Hi Brother Finny,

Jason Cooley recommended I contact you about the issue of separation of church and state and liberty of conscience. I’ve read James Beller etc. and believe firmly in our Baptist distinctives. But a good friend of mine and fellow church member is now saying he believes in theocracy and a marriage of church/state – and that the abuses of this doctrine by others in the past don’t mean the doctrine itself is wrong (he is also familiar with Beller’s writings).

Without going to our Baptist history, what is the best biblical base for liberty of conscience? Can you recommend a few specific verses or a good resource that breaks the issue down strictly from scripture?

Thanks for your help!

My Reply

Dear Bro. Joshua,

Thanks for your questions. Theocracy and union of church and state always have and always will result in corruption of individuals, families, churches and civil government. Total corruption is always the outcome of theocracy. This is because union of religion and state is contrary to biblical principles, except for the nation Israel. Israel was the only theocracy ever ordained by God, and even Israel became totally corrupted, first as a theocracy and then as a nation in rebellion against God who withdrew from the theocratic directives of God and demanded a King. While a theocracy, the nation had to turn to God when God judged them for their evil. Read the rest of the story in the Bible.

It’s interesting that your friend has the same attitude as did the Puritans. They felt that they would correctly implement the alledged Biblical doctrine of union of church and state, that they were the right people, at the right time, in the right place to show the world what would happen when theocracy was implemented without the abuses of the doctrine by others in the past. Their experiment was destined to failure and did fail in a very short period of time.

I cover all these matters in God Betrayed. The book is in both online and PDF form on the “Separation of Church and State” blog (opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com). You can go to the “Course” page if you really want to study and master the concepts, which takes a lot of time and study. It will be much easier to do the course than to try to figure it all out on your own.

I cover the Biblical principles in the Part One (the first three sections) of God Betrayed – that is the Biblical doctrines of government, church, and separation of church and state. Part 2 (the last three sections) then build upon that base. Right now, the “Course” page is almost finished with Section I).

Your friend is dead wrong. He has been misled by adherents to a false theology. That is what happens when God’s people do not “Study to show themselves approved of God, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

May the Lord continue to richly bless you as you continue to grow in knowledge, wisdom, and understanding.

For His Glory,
Brother Finney

His reply to my reply

Wow, that is quite the exhaustive course – thanks for the help, Brother. The surprising thing about all this is that this friend has been an avid student of Baptist history and a zealous defender of the Baptist distinctives – I fear he has simply been led astray by the likes of David Barton et. Al.

My reply

David Barton has done tremendous damage to the cause of Christ. I was misled by him for many years after being saved in 1982. Only after seeing the utter failure of the labors of millions of “Christians,” and only after the Lord directed me into the church and state law ministry, and only after I had to do a tremendous amount of self-study of the Bible, history, and law in order to be qualified to serve the Lord in the ministry did I discover the truth about Barton, Rushdooney, Gary North, Gary Demar, Hank Handgraph, R.C. Sproul, D. James Kennedy, etc.

IX. Letter no. 8 received on July 3, 2013 from Rev. Paul Wayne Flotz on “trouble in the assemblies”

Denying Sola Scriptura, Adopting Arminianism Regarding Salvation and Worship (Adding Unbiblical Innovations To Public Worship According to Man’s Will Instead Of God’s Will), Massive Infiltration of Humanist Psychology & Psychiatry Into the Church, Syncretism In Doctrine and Practice, A Lack of Explicit Biblical Terms of Communion, Adding Unauthorized Holy Days Not Found In The Bible and Even Adopting Antichrist’s (Papal) Holy Days, Little or No Godly Discipline and Little or No Church Government According To the Scriptural Pattern, Tolerating and Even Promoting the Federal Vision Heresy, Attacks On Justification By Faith Alone, contemporary Christian music, using Bible perversions, and Much More Has led to problems in today’s local assemblies.

My reply

Amen!

X. Letter no. 9 received on June 13, 2013 from [woman] on “as pastors view 501c3″

Is this true??

Every church is viewed as a 501c3 automatically. They don’t have to apply or get a letter to be seen that way. It is the law. I have never applied for 501c3 exemption, but every church I have pastored for 20 years has been viewed that way.  It is a fact lol

My Reply

It is absolutely untrue. It is not the law. Who  “viewed” the churches as 501c3? In fact, the statements are nonsense.

These pastors should quit spreading falsehood and get an education on these matters. A good place to begin is at “Separation of church and state law” blog (opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com). But to understand it, expect to spend a lot of time in study (of the Bible, law, and history).

Brother Jerald Finney

XI. Letter no. 10 from Brother Stanley Rogers on Facebook regarding church Bible studies on Romans 13

Tonight at Woodbridge Baptist we are continuing our study through the book of Romans. We will begin Chapter 13. This has been an exciting and encouraging study for me. I want to thank Brother Jason Cooley and Brother Jerald Finney for their tireless efforts of teaching the proper rolls of Church and State. Their messages on this subject have been an encouragement to me. Come on and join us in this study. You just might get your heart stirred to proclaim and stand for your Heavenly Citizenship!

XII. Letter No. 11 received on April 11, 2012 from Elwood Hays, an old and dear friend concerning this “Separation of Church and State Law Ministry”

May God continue to bless you in your ministry and may many have their eyes open as a result of your teaching. The oppression of our own government towards Christians and the Church seems to be getting  stronger all the time. I pray that as a nation, a mighty remnant will rise up that worships God as God directs and not as our nation would seek to dilute the Church.

Ellwood

My Reply

Thanks, Elwood. Your letter is a great encouragement to me. As I have said many times, you have always been a light on a hill to me. May the Lord continue to richly bless you and your family.

XIII. Letter no. 12 received on July 28, 2011 from [Steve, a church member of a church in Ohio] concerning liability of church members of an unincorporated church

I am very involved in my church in Ohio as a member. Recently a member of our church stated that if our church was not incorporated, each member is open up for law suits since the church cannot be sued itself.

Is this true?? After googling this subject, I came across your name.

Thanks,
Steve

My Reply

Dear Steve,

Thanks for your e-mail and concern.

Your friend was misinformed and passing on misinformation. Even some unscrupulous Christian lawyers are using scare tactics to influence churches to incorporate and get 501I(3) tax exemption; their motive? – you probably know the answer. Undereducated worldly pastors are passing on the information. Sadly, most Bible colleges and seminaries are also wrongly training their students about these matters.

I do not have time to go into all matters concerning this issue in writing in this e-mail. However, I have addressed this question in articles and audio teachings on “Separation of Church and State” law blog (opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com) and in the books the Lord has led me to write. Some of the chapters in Section VI of God Betrayed/Separation of Church and State: The Biblical Principles and the American Application specifically examine the various spurious rationale given for church incorporation and 501I(3).

Let me say that non-incorporated, non-501(c)(3) churches which are properly organized have more protection than state churches (incorporated 501(c)(3) churches). New Testament churches are not legal entities such as incorporations, unincorporated associations, individuals, etc as are state churches. State churches willingly and eagerly (due to ignorance and lack of love for our Lord) give up their First Amendment protections as well as, to one degree or another, the protections afforded by God. State churches place themselves under the Fourteenth Amendment by becoming legal entities. New Testament churches retain their First Amendment protections and are not legal entities. Only legal entities can act legally, sue, or be sued.

Individual members in either of New Testament churches or state churches are legal entities and can sue or be sued or charged with crime for their individual torts or crimes in which they participate. However, members of New Testament churches cannot be sued, as a church, because a New Testament church is not a legal entity.

Of course, the day may soon come when America treats Christians and churches as does North Korea, China, Afganistan, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, most Moslem nations, etc. Even then, a true believer and church is instructed by God’s Word to “obey God rather than man” as to those matters over which He has given civil government no jurisdiction. I look at this issue in depth in Render unto God the Things that Are His: A Systematic Study of Romans 13 and Related Verses. That teaching is also on the “Separation of Church and State Law” blog in both audio and written form.

Should anyone take issue with what I say above, I fully explain these matters in the resources mentioned above. If they wish to examine those resources and discuss them with me, I am always available, at no charge since this is a God-called ministry. Feel free to contact me at any time by phone or e-mail. My cell no. is 512-785-8445. My home phone no. is 512-385-0761. I am very busy so you cannot always expect an immediate response. To know the truth, one must hear all sides of an issue. This requires serious study and an open mind. May the Lord guide you in your search for His truth.

For His Glory,
Jerald

[Steve’s] reply to my reply

Thank you for responding so quickly.

I will be looking for your books you mentioned. Do I purchase the books directly through you?

Thank You,
Steve

My reply

Dear Steve,

You can get them (2 printed and 2 on Kindle) on amazon.com. You can order them from Kerygma Publishing by going to the books page of churchandstatelaw.com or by going to the following page on this website: “Order information for books by Jerald Finney.” All the books are free in both online and PDF form on this website.

Jerald

XIV. Letter no. 13 received on June 4, 2011 from Pastor Brandon Teague regarding Pastor Jason Cooley’s sermon “Whose House Is It Anyway”

Bro. Finney,

I just finished listening to “Who’s House Is It Anyway” by Pastor Jason Cooley. That was a true blessing to me. It is refreshing to know that there are men of sound heart and mind that are waking up to the reality of the government takeover of Christianity. I have never regretted for one moment that we organized under the Declaration of Trust and I am thankful that you, Dr. Dixon and Sister Barbara are faithful in the fight. God bless you.

My reply

Thanks, Pastor Teague for your letter. And thank you for your stand for the whole counsel of God, including the very important doctrines of church, state, and separation of church and state.

[One may go to the sermon by clicking the following link and scrolling down to “3. Sermons on the Doctrine of the Church”: “Sermons by Pastor Jason Cooley”.]

Brother Finney

XV. Letter no. 14 received on May 3, 2011 from Brandon, expressing concerns because of inconsistency of his pastor’s preaching concerning headship of Christ over His church yet the church is incorporated

Dear Mr. Finney,

I just came across your web page not long ago and I am very much interested to continue to listen and read your information regarding the 501c3 tax exempt status. Long story short i have been very trouble since coming to learn about it. I believe that being incorporated hinders the church from speaking out against the moral issues of the day.The church espouses to give all glory to God in everything that they do. The pastor gave a sermon on the importance of the headship of Christ over the church. It was stated in the sermon quote, ” to deny Him His place as king in His church is to imperil one personal relationship to Him almost as much as if to deny His attonement. You cannot deny His headship in His church without significant result and they being all negative.’

It was also stated quote, ” for the believer to join with those who gave over His authority as king to any earthly sovereign was about as wicked as to join with those who set aside His personal authority, that they might serve the devil and the world and the flesh.” end quote. How can a pastor preach on the importance of this subject, the headship and knowing very well that his church is incorporated? I did approach the pastor and spoke briefly concerning the status only to recieve an answer that the church is not restricted in anyway. So with all that i have shared with you I would greatly appreciate your feed back. And one other question if i may, how does one go to church when all the churches are incorporated?

God Bless you,
For His Name Sake,
Brandon

My reply

Dear Brother Brandon

Thanks for your inquiry. I offer some brief comments in love. I mean to attack no one, but I offer the truth in love. Needless to say, I am not God. I judge no one. Everyone ultimately answers to God. This is especially true of pastors. Judgment will be on the basis of truth. I invite anyone show me where I am wrong biblically, historically, or legally. No one has been able to do so after six years in this ministry. No one has even offered a logical and considered effort to do so. I believe that this is because they cannot. The truth is hard to defeat. Should anyone be able to prove that I am wrong as to any matter, I will repent and modify by words and deeds accordingly.

Any believer who has not yet been blinded by the principles of the God of this world and who studies church corporate 501(c)(3) status understands that the use of such devices by a church violates the very principles you referenced as preached by your pastor. I have gone into these matters in some detail in my articles, books, and audio teachings.

I know pastors who, upon beginning the process of seeking church incorporation and 501c3 status, immediately saw the violation of biblical principles by such devices, taught the members the principles and the application of those principles, and organized their churches in a manner which pleases God. Those pastors were grounded in the principles of God, not the principles of the god of this world. I know other pastors who discovered the truth about these matters after the churches they pastored had already obtained corporate 501c3 status and who subsequently repented and, with the members’ support, reorganized according to principles in the Word of God.

By the way, a church in America can operate both in compliance with both biblical principle and American law. In many nations, churches who wish to please our Lord have to operate underground.

Again, in my books, articles, and audio teachings, I explain church incorporation and 501c3 and how such legal tools definitely grieve our Lord since they place churches which utilize them at least partially under a head other than the Lord Jesus Christ and entangle them in Satanic activities which interfere with and damage the God-called purposes of churches and church members.

I am reminded of the following verses:

Ezekiel 33:31  “And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.”

Amos 4:4-5:  “Come to Bethel, and transgress; at Gilgal multiply transgression; and bring your sacrifices every morning, and your tithes after three years:  And offer a sacrifice of thanksgiving with leaven, and proclaim and publish the free offerings: for this liketh you, O ye children of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.”

Isaiah 29:13:  “Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men….”

Mark 7:6-13:  “He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me….”

I hope this has been of help, dear brother. Please do not hesitate to contact me for any reason. My phone numbers are: (H) 512-385-0761; (C) 512-785-8445.

For His Glory,
Brother Jerald Finney

XVI. Letter no. 15 received on March 13, 2011 from [] on “how can a church be set up and own property?”

very interesting articles. so how should a church be properly set up and own a property? Reading your articles i see a clear discouragement from accepting government so called tax exemption, grants and corporations money due to 501c3 requirement. to do good the church will have to rely on its members or those who will give without the 501c3 requirement.

My reply

If you are a pastor of a church who desires to organize according to the principles of the New Testament, please contact me at (H) 512-385-0761 or (C) 512-785-8445. I would be glad to discuss your situation and help you in your efforts. If you are ready to act, you will need more specific direction for your particular situation. If you are not a pastor, I address your concerns in my articles, books, and audio teachings. To fully understand these matters takes a lot of time and study.

For His Glory,
Jerald Finney

More letters from pastors and others regarding issues raised on this “Separation of Church and State Law” blog

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I. Introduction

II. (+) Letter No. 1 and my reply (From a pastor in the Philippines regarding the website and some Philippine church matters)
III. (+) Letter No. 2 and my reply (Insights of an x-member of First Baptist Church of Hammond, Indiana)
IV. (+)Letter No. 3 and my reply (Concerning Internal Revenue Code § 508 status for churches)
V. (+)
Letter No. 4 and my reply (Letter criticizing the publication of the article
Jack Schaap, First Baptist of Hammond, Heresy and Apostasy)
VI. (+)
Letter No. 5 (Pastor Mark Manzoni comments on Pastor Jason Cooley’s message “Whose Church Is It Anyway?)
VII. (-)
Letter No. 6 and my reply (Criticizing me for being critical of Jack Schaap)
VIII. (+)
Letter No. 7 and my reply (Commenting on the website)
IX. (-) Letter No. 8 (Letter atta
cking me and my article Jack Schaap, First Baptist of Hammond, Heresy and Apostasy)

IX. Information on books by Jerald Finney including links to online previews of two of his books.
X. Links to IRS Laws (Some of these links may no longer work. If so, you can use Google to find the laws)

I. Introduction

This article presents more e-mails from pastors and others with their comments, concerns, and questions concerning articles on this blog, and my replies to those e-mails. These e-mail letters not only raise important questions which need to be addressed, but also give insights into the thoughts of pastors and other believers and non-believers.

II. Letter No. 1 received April 17, 2013 (From a pastor in the Philippines regarding the website and some Philippine church matters)

Thanks for educating the readers like me about the real principle in separation of Church and state. I learned that our Philippine constitution is pattern to USA constitution. But the Roman Catholic is would like to dominate and benefits the programs of our government. Requiring us Baptist Church and Pastors to submit to the governments when it comes to our Christian school. I started to stand that educating the children both those in our church and from outside that wanted our Christian system of education is our constitutional rights and it is part of our faith and practices so the government should respect it. There is ongoing debate Davao City Counsel concerning our right to have Christian school.

My Reply to Letter No. 1 on April 18, 2013

Thanks for your comment and thanks for taking a stand in the Phillippines! It is encouraging to hear from someone outside the U.S.

Brother Jerald Finney

III. Letter No. 2 received on April 16, 2013 (Insights of an x-member of First Baptist Church of Hammond, Indiana)

Dear Brother you put into words what i was actually trying to convey. I am just SKEPTICAL after being told by a Reverand that i had plenty of time to be saved. Now i credit a Deacon at FBC for showing me that thou knowest not the day nor the hour when thy Lord cometh. Today is the day now is the time for thy salvation. So FBC indeeed led some souls to the Lord, just not through any QUICK PRAYERISM.

Then later being FOOLED by the likes of Dave Hyles and others. Now I had always wondered why the Hyles children was always kept in secret, sort of out of the public eye. It wasn’t until i was a member of Dave Hyles Miller Road Baptist Church in Garland that the Hyles house of cards started to fall. It was then that i started getting some REAL answers. Later i got a hold of Dr. Cloud and some of his e-mails. Then later Dr. Dixon, Joey Faust, yourself, and Pastor Cooley. I grieve over the facts as they came out. Just as the office of the Presidency has been abused so has the pulpits of america. Which is FAR MORE IMPORTANT. The Bible speaks of hirelings.

I know quite a few soul winners have fallen also. We just aren’t here to be followers of Paul or Appolos as the Bible declares. What people think about the pulpits of America is more disgraceful now than the office of the Presidency. II. Chronicles 7:14 If MY PEOPLE, which are called by MY NAME, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek MY FACE, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I HEAR from Heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man. Psalms 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. Jerimiah 17:5 Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusted in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord. The more i reread the scriptures the more my heart is broken for this country. My hope is BUILT on nothingless than Jesus blood and righteousness. I dare not trust the sweetest frame, but WHOLLY lean on Jesus name. No not even the tea party is gonna get us out of this. It will take the KING of KINGS! I do not intend on fighting or quabbleing with fellow brethren. I shall continue to tell others about Jesus, just as i did when i went to jail twice. For inside or outside i will spread the gospel as the Bible says to do. Matthew tells us of Pastors who scatter the flocks. We have seen through Jack Schaap what the Lord WILL DO! As in Acts 5:11 WOW!  If i had not been through so much heresy as with the first reverand then with so called pastors later i may not be so Skeptical of who to give any certain amount of honor to. For fear it may again continue on into man worship. I will let the Lord lead in that part of my life as he did in getting me out of FBC in 1981.

Thank you for your e-mail, please understand i am just being cautious. In Feb. there was a lot of preachers praising FBC and saying how it is the best Church in the world. And yet the Church has not repented nor the deacons for bringing Christ to public reproach. The mockery of Christ and the Bible was bad enough without FBC adding fuel to the fire. Titus 2:5,8 Titus 2:10 I. Timothy 3:7 2nd. Samuel 12:14

I let that reverand tell many other little boys and girls that they have plenty of time to get saved without even getting a chance to rebuke him accordingly. So naturally i am upset over the continuance of similar heresies in our own camps grossly ignored. I shall continue to pray and let the Lord lead.

Sincerely In Christ Brother ___________________

Isiah 40:31

The brother above later sent another e-mail (after my reply below):

With my FULL PERMISSION!  And without RESERVATION!  I had thought about including my name, but i am already EXPERIENCING great battles from FORMER FBC and FBC and H.A.C. people. Some of whom i am RELATED to. I am outspoken and opinonated but try to be Biblical about such matters. I CERTAINLY INCLUDE myself in II. Chronicles 7:14 because i am only a SINNER saved by grace and no better than anyone else. Perhaps the Chief among sinners. The Bible says ALL we like sheep have gone astray. Everyone has turned their own way. I fall and with the help of my Lord i rise again. Isn’t it WONDERFUL to have such a Heavenly Father to turn to?

What REALLY UPSETS me is the failure of repentance! The facts that Schaap had written such vulgar books without remorse and then turning against the God of the Bible! Denying the POWER thereof. The Bible is VERY CLEAR on such matters! He ACTUALLY said the Bible has 22 thousand errors and then turned around and said it is mostly correct. You cannot have it both ways or partial ways. The FACTS remain that FBC is 501c3 worships the god of money/mammon and did NOTHING to stop Schaap from the very begining.
The Bible IS; INFALLABLE it is INERRANT it is THE INSPIRED WORD OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST. Anyone claiming otherwise DESERVES a PUNCH in the nose! I hope people take heed to Acts 5:11 because God means business! I can ALMOST understand the unsaved making such claims against our Lord and HIS word. I could go on and on even with scripture. As a Christian Soldier i shall continue in the battle of wining the lost. We should continue as always with the GREAT COMMISSION as we struggle with those who just celebrated their HOLIDAY on April first. The fool in his heart says there is no God. So they will attack HIS word to.

Brother _________________

Isiah 40:31

My Reply on April 18, 2013

Dear Bro. __________,

Thanks for your very insightful reply. Especially thanks since you are one former member of FBCH who has the biblical understanding of the matter and the implications.

Amen! I agree with you 100%. It is very vexing to see God’s people behaving without remorse or repentance. The men of FBCH not seeing how they failed. Now lawyers and big-name preachers standing up for FBCH instead of calling for an application of II Chronicles 14. And a double Amen to your insight that [many of the] pulpits of America are more disgraceful than the office of the Presidency.

With your permission I will publish this exchange of e-mails, without identities, of course, unless you inform me that you do not want this published. It will be in an article on letters and my replies.

Keep up the great work for our Lord!

For His Glory,

Brother Jerald

IV. Letter No. 3 received on April 13, 2013 (Concerning Internal Revenue Code § 508 status for churches)

Greetings and Shabbat Shalom,

I ran across your information and the website while researching information for the 501.  Reason is that I stepped out in ministry as led, first with a home group and then within the will of the lord, establishing a congregation/church.  I am very curious after researching the 508 section.  What I can not figure out, is how the church receives recognition in order to obtain this standing under 508.  The IRS recognition appears to be necessary to obtain state exemption as well.  Are there forms, as the government is famous for, for the status under 508?  Do you have any books or such that outline how to obtain recognition under section 508?  How do expenses, salaries and receipts for offerings, tithes, etc be given to members as well as other contributors and then recognized for tax deduction purposes.

I can say, after recently retiring from 23 years of government service in a management position in Law Enforcement, I by no means trust the government and especially under the present administration.  I did not particularly like the idea of the 501, but till I saw your information, I did not think there was any other way.

Any information to clarify this would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You for your time and attention,

_________________

G-d Bless

My Reply to Letter No. 3

Dear ______________,

Thank you so much for your inquiry. I love you in the Lord. I will succinctly answer your questions. To completely answer your questions requires a treatise. I have written comprehensively on these matters. One can have free access to all my books and writings in both online and PDF form on the “Separation of Church and State Law” blog (opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com). Four of the books are now available to be purchased from amazon.com and barnesandnoble.com. You can also see the “Books” page of churchandstatelaw.com for ordering information. Sadly, the internet serves as proof that there are many, many uninformed people who will give you their opinions about these matters. Take such opinions for what they are worth.

I am just beginning a free online course that goes through my teachings. I am teaching one chapter at a time, beginning with teaching on the biblical doctrine of government. You can go to that course at https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/course/.

To claim 508(c)(1)(A) exemption in at least some cases, and maybe in all cases, puts a church in the same position that they would be in if that church applies for and receives 501(c)(3) status. Some churches are including all the 501(c)(3) requirements in their corporate constitutions or in other church documents in order to claim 508(c)(1)(A) status. They are effectively putting themselves under the civil government, under the 501(c)(3) rules when they do this. By the way, incorporation and any other legal entity status of a church is just as grievous to our Lord as 501(c)(3) status. I cover this completely in my writings and audio teachings.

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is a statement of the biblical principles of separation of church and state, freedom of religion, soul consciousness, free will, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of association, and the right to petition one’s civil government for a redress of grievances. The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights that prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances. A church in America can choose to retain her First Amendment freedoms. The First Amendment protects those churches who wish to remain under God only, mandates that churches can operate without government intervention, protects freedom of conscience, etc. However, the federal government violated the First Amendment and passed section 501(c)(3) of the IRS Code, a law which allows a church to voluntarily give up her First Amendment protections. The law is clearly unconstitutional – that is, the law clearly violates the First Amendment. Nonetheless, churches, as they form, ignorantly line up to get their 501(c)(3) status.

Section 501 is a law passed by the federal govenment which, when applied to churches, respects an establisment of religion and prevents the free exercise thereof. 501(a) says: “(a) Exemption from taxation: An organization described in subsection (c) or (d) or section 401 (a) shall be exempt from taxation under this subtitle unless such exemption is denied under section 502 or 503.”

Section 501(c)(3) says: “(c) List of exempt organizations: The following organizations are referred to in subsection (a): (3) Corporations, and any community chest, fund, or foundation, organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, testing for public safety, literary, or educational purposes, or to foster national or international amateur sports competition (but only if no part of its activities involve the provision of athletic facilities or equipment), or for the prevention of cruelty to children or animals, no part of the net earnings of which inures to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual, no substantial part of the activities of which is carrying on propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation (except as otherwise provided in subsection (h)), and which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.”

Please notice the rules that are written into 501(c)(3)501(c)(3) obviously is a law respecting an establishment of religion and which, according to the rules written into the law, “prevents the free exercise thereof.” The Internal Revenue Service added another rule – “may not be illegal or violate fundamental public policy” – which was challenged in court but upheld in the Bob Jones University Case, 461 U.S. 574 (1983) (which is discussed in my writings and audio teachings).

508, like 501(c)(3), is a law passed by the federal government which regards an establishment of religion. If there were no unconstitutional law applicable to churches, 501(c)(3), there would be no need for another unconstitutional law, 508(c)(1)(A) to be applied to churches. Because of the First Amendment which forbade Congress to “make any law respecting an establishment of religion or preventing the free exercise thereof,” and because Congress did just that when it passed 501(c)(3), Congress was left with a dilemma; Congress probably realized that they needed more in order to satisfy the First Amendment. Therefore, instead of repealing 501(c)(3) insofar as it applied to churches, Congress passed 508(c).  508(c) recognizes that churches do not have to get 501(c)(3) status. Why? Because churches are non-taxable under the First Amendment? 508(c) does not say that. 508(c)(1)(A) says that “churches, their integrated auxiliaries, and conventions or associations of churches” are “mandatory exceptions” to the requirement for certain organizations to get 501(c)(3) status. 508(c) gives no reason for stating that church are mandatory exceptions.  The natural and logical interpretation of 508(c) would be that the First Amendment mandates that churches cannot be required to get 501(c)(3) status; that is, churches are non-taxable because of the First Amendment. The First Amendment says that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment or religion, or preventing the free exercise thereof.” Since both 501(c)(3), if applied to churches, and 508(c) are laws respecting an establishment of religion and which prevent the free exercise thereof, both are unconstitutional in their application to churches. I could say much more about this, but I have said enough to show one who thinks seriously that a church should rely on the First Amendment – a statement of the biblical principle of freedom of religion – which protects churches from government power, influence, and interference rather than rely upon  the unconsitutional 501(c)(3), as applied to churches, and 508(c) statutes passed by the federal government in spite of First Amendment prohibitions. Thus, I recommend that churches claim First Amendment status as opposed to 508 status. I am sure that the God of this world is highly entertained and that our Lord is grieved by the ignorance of most American preachers and churches concerning these matters. 

Why are churches non-taxable? For several reasons. First, as to a church who does not illegally, intentionally, and knowingly give up her First Amendment status, because of the First Amendment. Second, even if the First Amendment did not exist, because a true church (a church whose purpose, organization, goals, and operation is in line with New Testament church doctrine) does not make a profit. Even a business which does not make a profit pays no income taxes. A true church is not a business wholly or partially. A true church cannot operate a business or businesses and still be a true church. A true church does not sell a good or a service. A true church makes sure that all tithes and offerings go to God and His purposes. A true church is not a legal entity and therefore acts in no legal way; for example, a true church does not get insurance, hold property, get a bank account, etc. I cover these matters in great detail in my writings and audio teachings. To get more explanation and information on these matters in a nutshell, click the following link: Quick Reference Guide for Churches Seeking to Organize According to New Testament Guidelines.

The real reason churches seek “tax-exempt” status is because they feel that they need to let people know that tithes, offerings, and gifts will be tax-deductible. Other false reasons are given to justify corporate 501(c)(3) church status. I go over all these matters in my writings. The main thing a believer and a church should understand is that God wishes believers and churches to do things according to the principles He has given us in His Word, no matter what the earthly consequences. Even if one has to pay a sales tax, he should never violate God’s law in order to avoid paying the tax. Which is more important, pleasing God or paying a sales tax? That said, no sales taxes are paid on goods bought by the pastors of the churches I have worked with and who operate totally under God without any connections to civil government.

In order to understand these matters, one first needs to understand the biblical doctrines of government, church, and separation of church and state. Then he needs to understand the American application of the biblical principles. That includes an understanding of the First Amendment, including the history of the Amendment. My resources will save you thousands of hours of study. I am not making available a course of study which will teach the biblical doctrines of government, church, and separation of church and state. I have added the first study segment, with self-test questions. Click the following link to go to that course of study: Separation of Church and State: The Biblical Principles and the American Application.

Any local, autonomous New Testament church can honor God, including churches in China, Korea, Iran or the many other nations where there is no religious freedom. However, individuals in non-state churches in those nations will be persecuted, many times murdered. For example, in Korea, there are no open churches and to be found with a Bible or heard saying the name of Jesus means death.

A church anywhere who puts themselves under the civil government in any way grieves our Lord. You see, he is the sovereign of the universe and had made clear that he wants his children and believers to “obey God rather than man.” Of course, an individual and a church should obey his civil government as long as civil government laws are consistent with biblical principles.

Again, I cover this and all related matters in my writings. I cover first the biblical, then the historical and legal information a believer needs to know in order to please God in the organization of one of His local churches. I don’t have time to rewrite my books in this letter. If you are concerned with pleasing God, I humbly suggest that you begin to study these matters in the light of His Word.

May the Lord bless you as you search to please Him.

For His Glory,

Jerald Finney

V. Letter No. 4 received on April 9, 2013 (Letter criticizing the publication of the article Jack Schaap, First Baptist of Hammond, Heresy and Apostasy)

Jerald….   while I admire your attack on heresy, I think all this should not be aired on the Internet, etc.  Why should we air our dirty laundry before the world  It just gives more reason (s), or excuses to reject Christ as Lord.

I would like to know why this is being passed around to the world.  Is it uplifting or edifying?  I think not. I became pastor of my first church at the age of 19, back in 1956. I have pastored in four states, from California to Florida and several in between.  Every where I lived we had men who strayed into sin.  The best work was done in Scriptural confrontation, discussion, edification, prayer “trying to lift up the fallen”….before we walked away and gave him up to the Devil – on his rejection of our love.

I urge you to stop this castigation before the world, lest it aid others on their trip to Hell.

Dr. ______________________ (retired Baptist minister)

My Reply to Letter No. 4 on April 10, 2013

Dear Dr. ________________________,

I apologize for my short answer, but I have a lot on my plate.

I have already partially answered your questions in my letters link which was on the e-mail you received [Click the following link to go to those letters: Letters from pastors regarding Hyles/Schaap and other articles.].  This is being aired all over the world by the lost. I am representing the Lord Jesus in the way he prescribes in His Word. I am calling for contrite repentance which would include beginning at this point to do things God’s way as churches and believers. The world knows what happened at Hammond and is publishing it widely. The world needs to see mourning and true repentance, not the pride being displayed. That might influence the world to consider the message of the Savior, rather than to disdain His message.

I don’t use humanistic reasoning; rather, I seek to obey our Lord in his mandates to his churches and those who make up the body of his churches.

[You may read another article which I have now linked to in the Jack Schaap, First Baptist of Hammond, Heresy and Apostasy which goes into some detail concerning biblical reasons for publicly publishing articles like mine by clicking the following link: Ignoring the Sin of First Baptist of Hammond.]

May the Lord bless your work for Him.

For His Glory,
Bro. Jerald Finney

VI. Letter No. 5 (Pastor Mark Manzoni comments on Pastor Jason Cooley’s message “Whose Church Is It Anyway?)

Bro. Finney,

Much appreciated receiving your recent email.

Pastor Cooley’s message “Whose Church Is It Anyway” says it so well. [Click here to go to the the Sermon’s page on the Separation of Church and State Blog and scroll down to the sermon.]

A blessed encouragement; I passed it on to some other preachers who would give it a hearty amen.

In the Service LORD.

Mark Manzoni
Pastor
Fellowship Baptist Church
982 Mendon Road
Cumberland, RI 02864

My Reply to Letter No. 5

Thanks Pastor Manzoni! It is always good to hear from you. I will forward this message to Pastor Jason.

VII. Letter No. 6 received August 9, 2012 (Criticizing me for being critical of Jack Schaap)

Dear Sir,

Let me ask you a question. Who benefits by you being critical of Jack Schaap? Have you ever thought of that? Even if what you say is true, how does that glorify the Lord Jesus Christ?

While you are exposing the sins of another, you are guilty of sins of your own. The men that you criticize will answer to God. And, besides that, this is a local church discipline matter, not your’s.

Please answer these questions.

Sincerely,

Pastor ____________________

John 3:30

My Reply to Letter No. 6 on August 11, 2012

Dear _____________________,

I have answered these questions and many more time and time again through my audio teachings and writings. My answers have always relied upon precepts and directions from the Word of God. The answers are published online at opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com [Also, one can refer to my reply to letter no. 4 above for more reasoning and resources.]. I really do not have time to continually repeat my answers. Let me add that among those who have an interest in spiritual matters there are far more who are knowledgable and thankful that someone is doing the work of God as to these matters than there are those who will not and maybe cannot understand truth when presented.

If only more folks would get saved and rally around Christ and his truths, there would be far fewer instances of heresy and its consequences as demonstrated by Jack Schaap and First Baptist of Hammond. There is sanctification and unity in truth.

I am a sinner saved by grace through faith unto good works which God hath ordained that I should walk in them. I deserve hell, but He gave me eternal life.

If you are lost, my prayer is that you will be saved. If you are saved, my prayer is that you will seek the guidance of the Word of God as led by the Holy Spirit in a search for truth.

For His Glory,

Brother Jerald Finney

VIII. Letter No. 7 on July 12, 2012 (Commenting on the website)

I really like your web site!

My Reply to Letter No. 7 on July 13, 2012

Thanks for the encouragement! Posted on July 13, 2012

IX. Letter No. 8 received on August 9, 2012 (Letter attacking me and my article Jack Schaap, First Baptist of Hammond, Heresy and Apostasy)

Dear Sir,

Please take me off of your mailing list. I am not pro-Dr. Schapp or anti-Dr. Schapp or First Baptist Hammond as far as that is concerned. My concern is that a church and families are hurting. There is no edification in your slander or hate. Go and win someone to the Lord. Go support a missionary. You are not a defender for God’s purpose. I will pray for you and hope that you will remove yourself from this type of correspondence.

Pastor ________________________

My Reply to Letter No. 8 on August 9, 2012

Dear Sir,

I support missionaries to the tune of $300+ per month and tithe of all that I possess. I have won many to the Lord. I am a faithful member of a Baptist church & have been since salvation in 1981. Etc.

I love you, so I give you truth.

Obviously, you are a spiritual midget. Name calling instead of honesty and biblical analysis is what I detect in your offering. People are hurting because of unchecked heresy by a church and her pastor. Someone is trying, in love, to alert, and spiritual morons distort biblical principles, history, heresy, and apostasy. As a result, far fewer souls are being saved as churches, families, and the nation slide down the slippery slope to hell.

I will continue to do whatever the Lord calls me to do despite unfounded vicious attacks by the unknowledgeable.

I don’t want your prayers because I do not believe they will be heard. You need to get the log out of your eye before attempting to help anyone else.

For His Glory,

Brother Jerald Finney

IX. Note

God Betrayed/Separation of Church and State: The Biblical Principles and the American Application (Link to preview of God Betrayed): may be ordered from Amazon by clicking the following link: God Betrayed on Amazon.com or from Barnes and Nobel by clicking the following link: God Betrayed on Barnes and Noble. All books by Jerald Finney as well as many of the books he has referenced and read may also be ordered by left clicking “Books” (on the “Church and State Law” website) or directly from Amazon by going to the following links: (1) Render Unto God the Things that Are His: A Systematic Study of Romans 13 and Related Verses (Kindle only); (2) The Most Important Thing: Loving God and/or Winning Souls (Kindle only); (3) Separation of Church and State/God’s Churches: Spiritual or Legal Entities? (Link to preview of Separation of Church and State/God’s Churches: Spiritual or Legal Entities?) which can also be ordered by clicking the following Barnes and Noble link: Separation of Church and State on Barnes and Noble.

X. Links to Internal Revenue Code Laws

You can read portions of the following Internal Revenue Code laws which pertain to churches and pastors by going to the following site: “Laws Protecting New Testament Churches in the United States: Read Them for Yourself; or you may read an entire law online by clicking the following links:

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is above all laws including those listed below when a church chooses to remain a totally spiritual entity (does not do something (incorporating, obtaining Internal Revenue Code § 501(c)(3) status, or by becoming a legal entity by some other action) .

1. § 501(c)(3). Exemption from tax on corporations, certain trusts, etc.
2.
§ 508. Special rules with respect to section 501(c)(3) organizations
3.
§ 7611. Restrictions on church tax inquiries and examinations
4.
§ 1402. [Dealing with taxes on income of pastors]
5.
§ 107. Rental value of parsonages
6.
§ 102. Gifts and inheritances (Tithes and offerings are gifts and, therefore, according to the Internal Revenue Code § 102, not income)
7.
§ 2503. Taxable gifts
8.
§ 170. Charitable, etc., contributions and gifts

More letters from pastors and others

Jerald Finney
Copyright © November, 2011
Left click one of the following link for easy access to all articles on this website:
Complete listing of articles on “Separation of Church and State Law” blog
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Contents

Recommended websites: The Old Time Way;  Old Paths Baptist Church; Only Way: An Appeal to Heaven
Recommended reading: Outcome Based Religion (Click to see review)

Contents:

Note. A “+” represents a supportive letter, a “-” a negative letter

I. Introduction

II. (+) Letter No. 1 and my reply (Thanks for encouraging churches with the truth)
III. (+) Letter No. 2 and my reply (Legal Questions from a pastor)
IV. (-) Letter No. 3 (Letter from a 501c3 state church pastor and my reply)
V. (-) Letter No. 4 and my reply (Letter stressing “Our Common Christian Heritage” and my reply)
VI. (+) Letter No. 5 and my reply (Church member wants advice and help in order to present the truth about church incorporation to the members of his incorporated church)
VII. (+) Letter No. 6 with no reply (Keep them [the articles, sermons, etc.] coming!)
VIII. () Letter No. 7 and my reply, his reply, and my final reply (Calvinism versus free will)

IX. Information on books by Jerald Finney including links to online previews of two of his books.
X. Links to IRS Laws (Some of these links may no longer work. If so, you can use Google to find the laws)
XI. Note concerning the Biblical Law Center and Jerald Finney

I. Introduction

This article presents more e-mails from pastors and others with their comments, concerns, and questions concerning articles on this blog, and my replies to those e-mails. These e-mail letters not only raise important questions which need to be addressed, but also give insights into the thoughts of pastors and other believers and non-believers.

II. Letter No. 1 received October 19, 2011 in response to Film: Divided (Why young people are leaving churches); Sermon: The Method Matters to God; Essay by colonial Baptist Pastor John Leland + MORE

Jerald,

Thank you for the email and the information packet.  Cornerstone is an solid independant fundamental baptist church… and heartily say amen to the information that you so graciously sent to us.

May the Lord bless you as you encourage churches with the truth,
Pastor __________________
Senior Pastor
____________________ Baptist Church
_________________________, Mi

My Reply:

Thanks, Pastor __________________________. Your letter is an encouragement to me.

For His Glory,
Brother Jerald Finney

III. Letter No. 2 received October 19, 2011 (Legal Questions)

Brother Finney,

Thank you for emailing me back. I am definitely planning on starting my church the Bible way and not place it under the restrictions of a 501c3 which would make God’s church into a government-approved Non-Profit Organization. I have recently talked to a Pastor in West Virginia who has been to court twice due to his church not being a 501c3 and he won both times. He told me that the government will consider your church an organization if you have any 1 of these 5 things: a church constitution, church membership, employees, and there were 2 others I cannot think of. I’m trying to learn all I can about how to avoid making any mistake that would cause my church to be defined as an organization or corporation by the government. I learned not to have a church constitution but to claim the Word of God as the church’s defining document. One thing I recently had questions on was how do churches pay their employees… any church that grows will need full-time Christian workers serving in the church, well, I found that churches do not have employees, they have servants who are given love offerings of support and the church cares for them as it does the pastor. That made sense to me.

I undoubtedly will need help and guidance in the matter when I do start my church.  I have many questions, but I am not ready to start a church yet, I have a Bible college degree, I have God’s calling on my life, I have been ordained and had hands laid on me and prayed over, and I believe I know what city God is sending me to, but I am still waiting on God to send me the wife He has chosen for me before I start my church. When that happens, I will be contacting you.

I appreciate the work that you are doing for pastors like me who are not taught these things, as a matter of fact, most pastors have told me to file 501c3 for lawsuit protection, it’s amazing what people tell you, it seems to me that most pastors are simply afraid of the IRS.

Thank you for your future assitance in the ministry God has called me to.

– ___________________

My Reply to Letter No. 2:

Dear Brother _______________,

I was reviewing old e-mails and came across our communications below. I don’t recall is we ever talked about your questions.

If not, feel free to call me.

Brother Jerald Finney

From:
To: Jerald Finney <jerald.finney@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 1:35:31 PM
Subject: Re: Legal Questions

Hello Brother Finney,

Thank you for writing me back. I am available most afternoons and evenings, except on Wednesdays and Sundays. So just let me know what time you’d like for me to call you, it’d have to be sometime next week since this is deer gun season week in Ohio.

Thank you again.
– Brother __________________

From Jerald Finney; To _________________________; Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:13 PM; Subject: Legal Questions ______________________

Dear Brother ___________________,

I do have answers to all your questions, but I just have a minute right now. To go over all the questions would take more time than that. I would be honored to discuss your questions with you, so perhaps we can arrange to talk about this over the phone. My cell number is 512-785-8445, and my home number is 512-385-0761. Maybe we can touch base and arrange a time to talk about these matters of utmost importance to our Lord. I will be looking forward to meeting and talking with you. Let me just mention that this is a ministry with me and I do not charge pastors and missionaries.

May the Lord richly bless you in all that you do.

For His Glory,
Brother Jerald Finney

From: …; To: jerald.finney@sbcglobal.net; Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 6:25:05 PM; Subject: Legal Questions

Hello Brother Finney,

Allow me to introduce myself, my name is ___________________, I recently graduated from Commonwealth Baptist College and God has called me to plant an Independent Fundamental KJV Baptist church in _________________, PA. I’m currently preparing to go on deputation to start raising the support needed to do such. This is all new to me and I’m trying to learn as much as I can – especially about the legalities involved. I stumbled upon your website while trying to find info about the 501c3.

I’ve spent half the day reading various articles on your website blog regarding the legalities and issues that come with incorporating a church, I did not know you had the option. I have heard very little about incorporation but had been told it was something I’d need to do to protect myself from lawsuits and to get tax exempt status. I now see that you do not have to be incorporated to receive tax exempt status which I’m thrilled to learn since I do not believe the government has any right to tax or regulate our churches nor do I want them having any kind of control over God’s pulpit. I also now understand why many pastors say they will lose their tax-exempt status if they endorse a political candidate or fear preaching against sodomy, it’s all related to incorporations, contracts, and government oversight.

So, thank you for your articles, they’ve enlightened me and helped me a lot. But I still have some questions if you wouldn’t mind taking the time to answer them.

First in the matter of deputation, I know most missionaries are supported by monthly check going through their local church, is this money taxable as income? Is it wise for a missionary to receive support money directly or should it go through a local church? I plan to raise support then use that support to both live on and to find a church building to rent or buy.

As a non-incorporated New Testament Baptist Church, how would I go about receiving church money, and specifically a salary, legally? Is my salary taxable? What about church property, would the church have to pay property taxes? Would I need to purchase the church property and put all buildings and such in my name or is there a way of putting it in the church’s name without it being incorporated? Can you open a bank account in a non-incorporated church’s name?

In the event I were to need an assistant pastor, how would I go about “hiring” and paying him legally? or a secretary for that matter? since a non-incorporated church cannot have employees. How would a non-incorporated church go about starting a Christian school? Would the school need to be incorporated?

I apologize for the many questions, I am just thinking ahead and trying to learn as much as I can about the legalities involved so I can plan accordingly. I plan on starting a bus ministry, Christian school, and a Christian children’s home, along with many other things in the future and want to make sure everything is done right from the start.

Thank you for your time and blogs, they have been a blessing.

– Brother ______________________

IV. Letter No. 3 received on March 25, 2010

You stereotype every 501c3 church as doing all of these things when you don’t even know who does and who don’t. It is apparent that you are against having a 501c3, but I would submit to you Romans 14:4. I can stand before God with a good conscience over this issue and I nor our church is guilty of anything you accuse. Now I know that probably bugs you, but I am thankful the God is my judge and not you sir. Tell you what, you keep condemning churches like ours and I will keep trying to win the lost to Christ and glorifying Him.

May you grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ

My Response to Letter No. 3

Dear Sir,

You cannot bug me because I love God first and my neighbor (which includes you). Your letter gives me a chance to challenge you to look at the Word of God, history, and law and support what you say from those sources, not from your “conscience.” If your conscience does not condemn you for prostituting God’s bride, then your conscience may have been seared, at least as to this matter. “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron” (1 Timothy 4:1-2).

I have done a comprehensive assessment of your argument in the booklet, The Most Important Thing: Loving God and/or Winning Souls. That booklet is also reproduced on this website at the following link: The Most Important Thing: Loving God and/or Winning Souls.

One should try to win souls to Christ without leaving other biblical duties undone (without dishonoring one’s love relationship with Christ). The church I am a member of emphasizes soul winning and support of missionaries. I spend approximately 2 1/2 to 3 hours a week devoted directly to one on one soul winning (door to door evangelism) as well as taking every other opportunity to present the Gospel of salvation to those with whom I come into contact. I pledge monthly support which results in the salvation of souls worldwide. The same can be said of my pastor (who is even more devoted to this cause than I) and other members of the church. By operating according to the principles of Satan in some matters, most “Bible-believing” churches are contributing to the loss of untold numbers of souls, since, by proceeding according to human reasoning rather than Bible principle, they lose the power of God to one degree or another. Honoring God’s principles is much more important than reasoning based upon what one does while discounting or ignoring what one does not do but should be doing.

I do not condemn you-a true understanding of Word of God, history, and law condemn you. I have stereotyped no church. I have explained in detail the biblical principles violated by church incorporation and 501c3. Just operating under those satanic devices violates biblical principle, prostitutes the bride of Christ, and grieves our Lord. You do not address any of my biblical, historical, and/or legal teachings. “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2.15).

Should you wish to contribute intelligently to a resolution of your disagreements with me, please contact me. Read my writings and/or listen to my audio teachings and tell me where you believe I am wrong. I will calmly and sincerely consider what you have to say. I doubt that you can convince me that I am wrong, but if you can, I will publicly repent of any error.

For His Glory,
Jerald Finney

V. Letter No. 4 received on September 13, 2011  in response to “ON SABBATICAL LAWS” by colonial Baptist Pastor + article on the biblical doctrine of government

OUR “CHRISTIAN HERITAGE IS LONGER, STRONGER” THAN ANY OTHER HERITAGE YOU MIGHT ASPIRE TO- WHY STRESS AN ANTI-BIBLICAL DENOMINATIONAL HERITAGE??

My Reply to Letter No. 4

Dear ____________:

I love you. I always get straight to the truth, for I have not enough time for anything else.

God’s people in America are being destroyed for lack of knowledge (among other things such as love for our Lord) (See, e.g., 1 Peter 1 and Hosea 4). Baptists have no common Christian heritage with Protestants and Catholics. Catholicism, led by Constantine and justified by perverted biblical interpretations of Augustine, began in the fourth century to viciously torture and murder all those who refused to bow down to the unified church-state alliance. As many as 50,000,000 people deemed to be “heretics” were killed by that wicked alliance. The Protestant churches which came out of Catholicism adopted the Catholic union of church and state theology, and continued to persecute any who refused to submit to their wicked religion. For example, Martin Luther in Germany, although he at first espoused separation of church and state, succumbed to pressure, changed his theology, and began to persecute Jews and believers who would not bow down to the teachings of the official state church, the Lutheran church. The persecution of Baptists and other dissenters by Protestants continued in the American colonies. In fact, a great spiritual warfare between the dissenters, mainly Baptists, and the Protestants (mainly the Congregationalists in Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New Hampshire and the Anglicans in the southern colonies) resulted in implementation of soul liberty (religious freedom) in the First Amendment to the Constitution.  Those who were by belief Baptist have always been persecuted by the arm of the civil magistrate at the behest of state churches when those churches were united with a civil government.

Sadly, informed secularists know these facts. The common Christian heritage they love to refer to includes the murder of millions when “union of church and state” was practiced, wars (like the Crusades) initiated by the state church; persecution of Baptists and other dissenters by the state established churches in the American colonies, etc. The false revised teachings being disseminated in the “Christian” community in America, in deciding to promote a false “common Christian heritage” in their arguments which allege that America is a “Christian” nation have unknowingly worked with Satan in bringing the downfall of America and the one world government and religion prophesied in Scripture. I cover all these matters and much more in my books, articles, and audio teachings.

Since true believers have decided to revise history, or follow Christian revisionist history, they have become a laughing stock among secular scholars and, due to the trickle-down effect, to the uninformed secularist masses. We see the result of the “Christian” endeavors to bring America back to God, since those endeavors have not been according to knowledge. Individual, family, church, and state morality and depravity have regressed at an accelerating rate. America, American individuals and families (in general), and American churches (in general) are now moral cesspools.

Your e-mail, dear sir, shows your ignorance of history and biblical theology. Biblical doctrine is preeminent for the believer, as is exposure of heretics and apostates. Unrevised history is very important. Without understanding history, one can never learn from and correct the mistakes, heresies, etc. of the past.

To include apostates and heretics in our “Christian” heritage other than to expose their false theologies and consequences thereof has led to tragedy, including the downfall of this nation which has paralleled a dumbing down of Americans-including most “Christians.”

For His Glory,
Jerald Finney

VI. Letter No. 5 received on April 21, 2010

Mr. Finney,

My husband will be attending a Board of Directors Meeting tonight at the church where we attend and presenting the TRUTH about caving to the State for incorporation. This will be a tremendous amount of information to digest for these men and my husband doesn’t want to overwhelm them. However, it is important to give them a snapshot of what it entails to “dissolve” a 501(c)(3) corporation. (He can’t present the PROBLEM with submitting a SOLUTION.)

Could you please provide the process regarding the Declaration of Trust in a nutshell? We realize this process isn’t going to be easy, but understand it is doable.

Your suggestions, comments, or guidance will be appreciated!

Because of Him,
__________________

My Reply to Letter No. 5

Dear Mrs. ______________________:

In order to advise your husband on this matter, I need to talk to him. Dissolving the 501c3 corporation and/or organizing a church under the Declaration of Trust involves complex legal matters. Every case has to be examined individually to determine the best way proceed.

Please have your husband call me and I will be glad to discuss this matter with him. My phone number is 512-385-0761 or 512-785-8445 (cell).

For His Glory,
Jerald Finney

Note. I did talk with and advise this concerned church member. I also sent him copies of all my books at no charge.

VII. Letter No. 6 received July 31, 2011 in response to Pastor’s article on church incorp. & 501c3; Sermon: “Him”

KEEP them coming!   ”  make them shorter ”  CUZ the time(s) are getting shorter before our Lord’s return & the Meeting in the air!

No Reply to Letter No. 6

VIII. Letter No. 7 received March 11, 2011
in response to “The Biblical Doctrine of Separation of Church and State.”

Dear Jerald:

On page 16 of “God Betrayed” you stated: “Man makes a choice of his own free will as to how he will respond to God. The principle of freedom of conscience or free will is found throughout the Bible.”

You quoted from John 3:16, 18 and Rev 22:17. However, I could not see how those passages supported your point that “man makes a choice of his own free will.” Certainly, those passages make the point that salvation is by faith and man must be willing to believe, but they do not in any way suggest that belief is a choice made by man’s “own free will.”

You further stated that “the principle of freedom of conscience or free will is found throughout the Bible.” When I read the bible, however, I find quite another view of man’s condition. The bible states that man is dead in trespasses and sin. We, who are saved, were at one time dead in sin, but God, through his Holy Spirit, made us alive by his glorious grace. “And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins.” Ephesians 2:1.

It is not possible for a dead man to do anything, a dead man cannot even have faith, he must be made alive again. Man does not have it in him to come to Jesus; God must draw him. “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:44. Indeed, Jesus must be the source of our faith because “there is none that seeketh after God.” Romans 3:11.

Notice what Jesus makes clear in John 15:5: “without me ye can do nothing.” Hebrews 12:2 confirms what Jesus said in John 15:5, and pretty well precludes any source for our faith other than Jesus: “Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith.” Hebrews 12:2.

If Jesus is the author of our faith, then that precludes man from being the author through his free will decision. An author is one that originates or creates. There is no mention in the bible of there being any coauthors of our faith, it is Jesus alone who is the author of our faith. He originates and creates faith in the believer. Jesus is also the finisher of our faith, that is, he completes and perfects our faith. So there is no room for anyone to say that God only makes an offer of salvation, and that we must accept that offer of our own free will. That is to contradict God’s word and say that man is the finisher of his own faith. The bible makes it clear that Jesus is the finisher of our faith. Jesus must first set our will free from the bondage of sin. Our faith in Jesus is both authored and finished by Jesus. Our will is enslaved to sin, and we can only believe in Jesus if Jesus frees us from that bondage and imparts the faith in us, making us new creations by the Spirit of God.

This is not some theological nit-picking; it is the very heart of the gospel. “Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe.” (Romans 3:22 KJV) Notice that the righteousness of God is “by the faith of Jesus Christ.” The passage explains the source of the faith; faith comes from Jesus Christ, hence it is the “faith of Jesus Christ.” The plain language of Romans 3:22 indicates that our faith comes from Jesus. One cannot have faith in Jesus without being given the faith of Jesus.

Next, read Galatians 2:16. The passage indicates that Jesus Christ is both the source of our faith and the object of our faith. There is a clear distinction in the passage between the faith “of” Jesus and the faith “in” Jesus. The passage reveals that the faith “of” Christ is the reason we have faith “in” Christ. Our Justification is by the faith “of” Christ. We believe “in” Jesus, because we have the faith “of” Jesus. Jesus is both the object of our faith and the source of our faith. The faith supplied by Jesus is the means of our justification. Jesus has done it all! The passage refers to the source of our faith as being “of” Christ in two separate clauses.

“Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.” Galatians 2:16.

The passage that absolutely crushes the claim that man has a free will to believe in Jesus is found in John 1:13. In John 3:3 we read that Jesus tells Nicodemus that he must be born again to see the kingdom of God. That is a spiritual rebirth that cannot be by the will of man or through the flesh. God made it clear just three chapters earlier in John 1:13 that this new spiritual birth comes to those “[w]hich were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” John 1:13.

Notice God has stated unequivocally in John 1:13 that man does not believe in Jesus by the will of man. Man indeed is completely helpless to believe in Jesus. God must give the man a new heart to believe. Man must be born again by the Spirit of God. Man is then given the faith of Jesus to believe in Jesus. Jesus is not only the object of our faith, he is the “author and finisher of our faith.” There is no room in the gospel for man to believe in Jesus by his “own free will.” The gospel theme encapsulated in John 1:13 is that salvation is completely by the sovereign will of God.

The very theme of the gospel is that God seeks men, men do not seek God. While you state that mans belief is by his “own free will,” God states that belief is not from man’s will, but is completely an act of God’s act of mercy. “So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.” Romans 9:16. From the beginning of Jesus’ ministry he made it clear that he was Lord, and he chose his disciples, they did not choose him. “Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.” John 15:16.

Salvation is by grace through faith. Ephesians 2:8. The faith comes by God’s grace; faith is not by man’s “own free will.” Indeed, it cannot be, because man’s condition is one of enslavement to sin and the whole point of Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross was to free his elect from their slavery to sin. Luke 4:18.

Please let me know if you think that I am in error on this. If you have contrary biblical authority supporting your position that “man makes a choice of his own free will” to believe in Jesus I would very much be interested in reading it.

Sincerely,
__________________

My Reply to Letter No.7

Dear Mr. ______________:

I respectfully disagree with your position in the letter [above], based upon what the Bible teaches. Very briefly, I would remind you that “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness” (Ro. 4.5); in other words, one’s faith is not a work.

I do not have the time to address all your arguments, but let me refer you to your paragraph 2 which says:

“You [Jerald Finney] quoted from John 3:16, 18 and Rev 22:17. However, I could not see how those passages supported your point that ‘man makes a choice of his own free will.’ Certainly, those passages make the point that salvation is by faith and man must be willing to believe, but they do not in any way suggest that belief is a choice made by man’s “own free will.’”

How can man be “willing to believe” if he has no free will? He cannot. Thus, that argument is contradictory, and all your arguments can be easily answered by a believer educated in God’s Word.

All the arguments on both sides of this issue have been made. Having read the Bible many times and having heard preaching by pastors of both persuasions, it is obvious to me that the Bible teaches that man has free will. One can selectively choose Scriptures which, when taken alone and without a consideration of other Scripture, teach what you contend in your letter.

I quoted some other pastors and gave their reasoning in the book. I believe the quote of Pastor Joey Faust is especially instructive. However, the purpose of the book was not to debate a tenet of Calvinism (I say “a tenet of Calvinism” rather than “the sovereignty of God” because you and I would agree that God is sovereign—I make this clear in the book) or to fully develop what the Bible teaches about free will. I would note that many things such as salvation and the relationship between a local church and Christ (the main issue of the book) is irrelevant if man is just a robot who can make no choice since an individual is either preordained by God to salvation or eternal death in the lake of fire and a church cannot make a choice of whether to remain under Christ alone or submit herself to civil government. If there is no free will, sin is not a choice, repentance (a change of mind, or a conversion from sin to God) is not a choice, nothing is a choice; one cannot exalt himself, humble himself, or abase himself negating verses such as “every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted” (Luke 18.14). Any given person is destined for either heaven or hell and he has no choice as to the matter.

I have much other biblical authority, but really don’t have time to argue with anyone about this. Let me suggest that you listen to the sermon at the bottom of the “Salvation” tab of church and state law. That sermon makes clear that salvation is all of God. However, that does not mean that a man does not have free will to choose to exercise the faith that saves or not.

I was talking to a Baptist preacher and friend who believes as do you about this matter. I said, “Will you explain this portion of Scripture to me?” I read the Scripture to him. His response was, “It doesn’t mean what it says.” He is a brilliant man, but he could not explain away that example of man exercising his free will. I could have given him many others. However, neither of us convinced the other, and you will not convince me nor I you. I still love you in the Lord. There are pastors and others whom I deeply respect and love with all my heart who believe as you do. I don’t argue with them about this matter. It is between them and the Lord.

I hope you will agree that the Lord Jesus commissioned us to “go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature,” and “to preach repentance and remission of sins in his name among all nations beginning at Jerusalem.” Let us be about our Father’s business as we continue to love one another.

For His Glory,
Brother Jerald Finney

Mr. ___________________’s Reply:

Dear Jerald:

Thank you for getting back to me. It is obvious to me when reading your book that God has gifted you with a sharp intellect. I realize that sometimes discussions like this can be tedious, and if it gets to that point just let me know, and we can leave the issue be. Your email, though, raised some interesting points that I want to follow up on.

I agree with you that “salvation is all of God.” Yet, I can find no biblical authority for your next statement, which contradicts the first: “However, that does not mean that a man does not have free will to choose to exercise the faith that saves or not.” If man has a “free will” to choose, then it cannot be that “salvation is all of God.”  The two statements are mutually exclusive and cannot both be true.  Wouldn’t you agree that if man has free will to choose, then salvation is at least in part of man?

The theme of the bible is that man is spiritually dead (Ephesians 2:1) and that“there is none that seeketh after God.” Romans 3:11. Do you accept that premise? If you accept that premise, how does a man obtain a “free will” without God first regenerating the man?

I can cite passages that unequivocally state that salvation is not by the “choice of man’s own free will.” John 1:13; Romans 9:16.  Can you cite one single passage anywhere in the bible that sates in like unequivocal fashion that salvation is by the “choice of man’s own free will?”

Free will assumes a will unhindered by God (hence the term “free will”). If man has an unhindered free will, that means that Judas had a free will and God was rolling the dice and hoping that Judas would betray Jesus. Under the free will theory, the crucifixion of Christ was one big gamble that paid off for God and man.

The true gospel, however, tells a different story. Judas betrayed Jesus as prophesied by God hundreds of years earlier. Jesus stated, while praying to God the Father: “While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.” John 17:12.

Not only did Judas not have a free will to choose whether to betray Jesus, but every single act of Herod, Pontius Pilate, the Jews, and the Romans was preordained and orchestrated by the sovereign God of Heaven. “For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.” Acts 4:27-28. In fact, God orders the steps of all men and controls their very tongue. “The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue are from the Lord.” Prov. 16:1.

How do you reconcile the theory that unregenerate man has a free will to choose to believe in Jesus with those bible passages that state clearly that the unregenerate do not and cannot seek after God and that salvation is not by the will of man and the fact that God preordained and moved Judas, Herod, Pontius Pilate, the Jews, and the Romans with his divine hand to betray and crucify Jesus?

Sincerely,
_______________

My Reply to Mr. ______________’s Reply:

Dear Bro. ______________________,

Thank you for your concern and kind Christian manner in your correspondence. [Note. If your position is right, I don’t know why I would be thanking you for anything since God actually is responsible for your concern (actually, if you are right, you have no concern nor does God) and your kind Christian manner (actually, if you are right, that manner is not of you, but totally predetermined by God). Since I don’t believe as you do, I will leave the thank you above in this e-mail. Of course, if you are right, God is responsible for everything I write in this e-mail, including this Note and for my leaving this note in it.
Your position on this matter is very confusing. I thought that the Bible says that God is not the author or confusion (1 Co. 14.33). If He is not, then no one can be the author of confusion, since no one else does anything except as God as determined in advance.]

Again, I have heard most of the arguments on both sides and come down on the side that says that the Sovereign God chose to give man a choice. That is my biblically based belief. You pick out Scriptures to support a lot of unbiblical beliefs based upon a partial reading of Scripture. You also reach conclusions that are not supported by a full reading of Scripture. In my e-mail last reply to you, I summarily addressed some of the arguments you stated in your most recent e-mail [above]. You have not even considered those succinct arguments which I presented.

Once more, I refer you to my prior e-mail and to Pastor Joey Faust’s footnote in my book. I believe he offers great insight into this matter.

If you are right, it does not matter what we do or say since we are responsible for nothing we do, say, or believe. My arguments are not my arguments since it was predetermined that I would make them. Likewise, your arguments were also predetermined by God. Each person’s fate is also set. We have no responsibility for anything. God is responsible for everything that every person has ever done, said or believed. He is responsible for every sin, crime, lie, etc. that has ever happened. Only He is responsible for anything. Everything is a gigantic game being totally controlled by God. No person is responsible for anything. God is responsible for what I am writing you at this moment. I have nothing to do with it. God is in fact arguing with Himself. What do you think is the reason for that?

On the other hand, if I am right, each person is responsible and will be held accountable.

I love you in the Lord and wish you the best, but the Lord has already filled my plate with work (not to attain my salvation, but for His Glory and pleasure). I work because I am saved, not to be saved. People have presented postions to me on other biblical matters which are not directly related to the issues concerning church, state, and separation of church and state; for example, matters involving Israel and the Sabbath. They have made arguments that I have  looked into as I do my daily Bible study. I have taken notes and meditated upon their arguments. Sometimes my beliefs have been modified, sometimes not. However, I have not taken the time for lengthy debates on most matters simply because God did not call me to argue about everything that comes along.

May the Lord richly bless you and may you grow in knowledge, wisdom, and understanding. I mean nothing personal by this: I will not be taking the time to answer future e-mails about this matter for the reasons already explained. If your position is correct, God has already predetermined that this would be my final response as to this matter. Regardless of who is right, please take the matter up with Him.

For His Glory,
Brother Jerald Finney

IX. Note

God Betrayed/Separation of Church and State: The Biblical Principles and the American Application (Link to preview of God Betrayed): may be ordered from Amazon by clicking the following link: God Betrayed on Amazon.com or from Barnes and Nobel by clicking the following link: God Betrayed on Barnes and Noble. All books by Jerald Finney as well as many of the books he has referenced and read may also be ordered by left clicking “Books” (on the “Church and State Law” website) or directly from Amazon by going to the following links: (1) Render Unto God the Things that Are His: A Systematic Study of Romans 13 and Related Verses (Kindle only); (2) The Most Important Thing: Loving God and/or Winning Souls (Kindle only); (3) Separation of Church and State/God’s Churches: Spiritual or Legal Entities? (Link to preview of Separation of Church and State/God’s Churches: Spiritual or Legal Entities?) which can also be ordered by clicking the following Barnes and Noble link: Separation of Church and State on Barnes and Noble.

X. Links to Internal Revenue Code Laws [Some of the following links may no longer work [As of November 5, 2011]. If not, you can find the laws by using Google.]

You can read portions of the following Internal Revenue Code laws which pertain to churches and pastors by going to the following site: “Laws Protecting New Testament Churches in the United States: Read Them for Yourself”; or you may read an entire law online by clicking the following links:

1. § 501(c)(3). Exemption from tax on corporations, certain trusts, etc.
2.
§ 508. Special rules with respect to section 501(c)(3) organizations
3.
§ 7611. Restrictions on church tax inquiries and examinations
4.
§ 1402. [Dealing with taxes on income of pastors]
5.
§ 107. Rental value of parsonages
6.
§ 102. Gifts and inheritances (Tithes and offerings are gifts and, therefore, according to the Internal Revenue Code § 102, not income)
7.
§ 2503. Taxable gifts
8.
§ 170. Charitable, etc., contributions and gifts

XI. Note

The Biblical Law Center helps churches to organize as New Testament churches completely out from under civil government and under God only. See churchandstatelaw.com for contact information for Jerald Finney, counsel for the Biblical Law Center. This is a ministry, not a business enterprise. Jerald Finney has made no profit at all in this endeavor of Christian love, but rather has expended much of his own money for God’s glory, in attempting to provide information and service for God’s churches.

All conclusions in this article are opinions of the author. Please do not attempt to act in the legal system if you are not a lawyer, even if you are a born-again Christian. Many questions and finer points of the law and the interpretation of the law cannot be properly understood by a simple facial reading of a civil law. For a born-again Christian to understand American law, litigation, and the legal system as well as spiritual matters within the legal system requires years of study and practice of law as well as years of study of Biblical principles, including study of the Biblical doctrines of government, church, and separation of church and state. You can always find a lawyer or Christian who will agree with the position that an American church should become incorporated and get 501(c)(3) status. Jerald Finney will discuss the matter, as time avails, with any such person, with confidence that his position is supported by God’s Word, history, and law. He is always willing, free of charge and with love, to support his belief that for a church to submit herself to civil government in any manner grieves our Lord and ultimately results in undesirable consequences. He does not have unlimited time to talk to individuals. However, he will teach or debate groups, and will point individuals to resources which fully explain his positions.

About Jerald Finney: The author is a Christian first and a lawyer second. He has no motive to mislead you. In fact, his motivation is to tell you the truth about this matter, and he guards himself against temptation on this and other issues by doing all he does at no charge. He does not seek riches. His motivation is his love for God first and for others second. His goal is the Glory of God. Jerald Finney has been saved since 1982. God called him to go to law school for His Glory. In obedience, Finney entered the University of Texas School of Law in 1990, was licensed and began to practice law, for the Glory of God, in November of 1993.  To learn more about the author click the following link: About Jerald Finney.

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More letters from pastors and others

Jerald Finney
Copyright © April 5, 2011
Left click the following link for easy access to all articles on this website:
Complete listing of articles on “Separation of Church and State Law” blog

Recommended websites: The Old Time Way;  Only Way: An Appeal to Heaven
Recommended reading: Outcome Based Religion by Mac Dominick

Contents:

Note. A “+” represents a supportive letter, a “-” a negative letter

I. Introduction
II. (+) Letter No. 1 and my reply (On becoming a New Testament church, and bank account for such a church)
III. (-) Letter No. 2 and my reply (Ignorance on display)
IV. (+) Letter No. 3 (Some unrevised history from Pastor Manzoni)
V. (-) Letter No. 4 and my reply (The heart of God is for winning the lost not fighting the government)
VI. (+) Letter No. 5 and my reply (Should a church have a charter?)
VII. (+) Letter No. 6 and my reply (Looking for a non501c3 New Testament church)
VIII. (+) Letter No. 7 and my reply (Great teaching)
IX. (+) Letter No. 8 and my reply (Praise for sermon published on blog)
X. (+) Letter No. 9 and my reply (Studying the resources)
XI. Letter No. 10 , my reply, comments of Eric Rodriguez, comments of Aron Brackeen, and my final reply (On David Barton and his teaching)

XII. Information on books by Jerald Finney including links to online previews of two of his books.
XIII. Links to IRS Laws
XIV. Note concerning the Biblical Law Center and Jerald Finney

I. Introduction

This article presents more e-mails from pastors and others with their comments, concerns, and questions concerning articles on this blog, and my replies to those e-mails. These e-mail letters not only raise important questions which need to be addressed, but also give insights into the thoughts of pastors and other believers and non-believers. Authors are identified only with their permission.

II. Letter No. 1 received March 6, 2010

… I have since become the pastor of our small church. Before I came to the church it applied for 501 c 3 status. I have been looking into the matter for about a year. One of the expensive resources states there is no way to borrow money not 501 c 3. We have an EIN (also before I came). We owe on our building about $60,000 which will be paid in under five years. I wish I could say I had no part of that, but I was part of the church when we voted to borrow $200,000 to construct our present facility.

… I also want to honor the Lord. It seems the only way we can do this is to dissolve, reorganize, and transfer titles of property (vehicles and real) to the new church. This would also do away with our EIN. However, how can we do that when we owe $60,000 to the bank? We do owe a former member $12,000, and $6,100 on a credit card also (the latter was not my doing either).

Our church is just paying its bills and is not able to pay me any salary, gifts, or remuneration. I am looking for some resources to help me to know the Bible and legal way to being separate from Caesar when it can be done.

Soldiers for Christ,
Pastor _____________

My Reply:

Dear Brother ______________,

Can you call me or send your phone numbers so we can talk about this? I have misplaced your phone number so I can’t call you.

I am glad it all worked out with your wife’s situation.

I will be looking forward to hearing from you.

Bro. Finney

III. Letter No. 2 in response to the blog article,
“Church Incorporation Increases Liability of Church Members,”
received on March 23, 2010

how ridiculous.  pastored for 30 yrs a fundam bapt ch in nj- never had govt interference. too many christian crooks to not need this policy. cant even buy land, get tax exemption fm t town w/o 501. cant get a property off tax rolls, would pay thousands in taxes, lawyers,etc.

sorry- you are wrong here. guess you’ve never done it.

_______________________

My Reply to Letter No. 2:

Dear Pastor,

I love you. I love the Lord and His church more. I reply with all sincerity and humility.

Let me ask you before proceeding: Will you lay out the biblical doctrines of church, government, and separation of church and state? Also, will you please give me the relevant facts about history? Finally, will you please explain the law of non-profit incorporation and 501(c)(3) for churches and the history of religious freedom? You must be able to answer these questions before conclusions have any validity.

You are welcome to examine the biblical principles, laws, history, and other facts upon which I base my conclusions–those are fully explained and analyzed in my books, audio teachings, and articles. If you do not want to buy the books, you can access all my teachings for free through my articles and audio teachings. By the way, did you read the article(s) referenced below in my e-mail before sending this e-mail? I ask this because you do not dispute any facts or arguments I presented in the article(s); rather, you state unfounded and untrue conclusions.

New Testament churches (non-incorporated, non-501(c)(3), non-legal entity religious organizations) are operating in the United States and pleasing our Lord as well as getting the  property tax exemptions and the other advantages provided by civil law. I know and associate with many of them, and they agree with me. I submitted my teachings to many pastors for review before publishing them. Churches in America can, without persecution, remain under the Lord Jesus alone. People in those churches are taking tax deductions for contributions and using, for the Glory of God, the other advantages that state controlled religious organizations who ignorantly bow down to their false gods are enjoying. A member of a New Testament church needs to understand the law before claiming deductions for tithes and offerings.

One does not obey (or disobey in the case of state churches) God for worldly advantage. He does so because he loves Him. He does so even if he suffers or is inconvenienced. In America, no one will suffer at this time for doing things God’s way. There may be a few trivial inconveniences.

There are many ways to practice iniquity and disobey our Lord. The most common one for churches in America is through incorporation and 501(c)(3). Churches are rejoicing in iniquity rather than rejoicing in the truth, violating biblical principles, and grieving the Lord when they become legal entities such as incorporated 501(c)(3) religious organizations (see 1 Co. 13 esp. v. 6 as well as my teachings on the doctrines of church, government, separation of church and state, history and law).

Most pastors and Christians have no knowledge of the biblical doctrines of the church, civil government, separation of church and state, and the facts about history and law (incorporation and 501(c)(3)). Most pastors are blind on these matters and are leading the blind. I have met very few state pastors who can carry on a rational debate or conversation concerning the relevant doctrines and their application to the facts in the real world–those pastors who are knowledgeable know that my conclusions are right; yet many, for one reason or another, do not come out of Babylon. Sometimes they are so trapped by the system that they must spend years restructuring before they can come out of the system. On the other hand, the Biblical Law Center helps, on a regular basis,  state religious organizations  shed their ties to the state as they seek to obey biblical principles and become New Testament churches.

Please do not take this in the wrong spirit. I am only trying to wake up churches and believers. Biblical principles and the facts about the real world of incorporation, 501(c)(3) are there for anyone who is a born again believer to examine. If you want to attack God’s position, do so with knowledge, not with ridiculous unsupported conclusions.  I submit that your conclusions are wrong and grieve our Lord. I present facts based upon biblical principles, history, law and practice.

I love you, therefore I tell you the truth. You mention Christian crooks. Did you know that you are one of them? You are crooked as they come because you violate God’s principles. You dishonor Christ’s relationship with His church. You are a spiritual prostitute. Please begin to seek the truth in these matters so that you can be set free (See, e.g., John 8:31-32).

“He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.”

For His Glory,
Jerald Finney

IV. Letter No. 3 received on March 25, 2010

Amen, Amen and Amen

Thank you Brother for your emails. Always a blessing a pleasure to read them.

The heresy of Calvinism has infiltrated and led many astray. Of course, thinking that those ruling in Boston during pre-Constitution were friendly to born-again believers, just need to stop drinking the Kool aid. The ruling “christians” throughout colonial America persecuted men, women and children of faith.  Our history books simply ignore it.

I live in Rhode Island, founded by Baptists yet now it is the most Catholic state in the Union; a sad irony. Clearly, our authority to preach the Gospel is from our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, regardless of the tyranny that is sweeping the country.

But again, thank you for your blessings of the emails and readings.

In the Love of Christ Jesus,
Mark Manzoni
Fellowship Baptist Church
Cumberland RI

V. Letter No. 4 in response to the blog article
“Limited Liability: Another False Rationale for Church Incorporation”
received on  received March 26, 2010

The heart of God is for His Bride & the winning of the lost, not fighting the government.

thank you
_____________

My Reply to Letter No. 4

Dear Brother,

I agree with you when you said, “The heart of God is for His Bride & the winning of the lost, not fighting the government.” That is what this is all about. The relationship between Christ and His church, His wife, His bride is extremely important to Him (See, e.g., Ep. 5:22-33). I would recommend reading the opening article on the “Welcome” page of churchandstatelaw.com. I did not write the article, but it offers great insight.

The heart of God is that we should glorify Him, love Him with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength. If we do that, we will be the greatest soul winners in the world. I am not for fighting the government either. My message is to churches. Our Lord wants his pastors and churches to proceed with knowledge, understanding, and wisdom. He wants His churches under Him only. Churches in America can do that without persecution. Yet many American churches and pastors are so deceived that they wrongly think they are gaining worldly advantages by incorporation and 501c3. Not only are they losing many of the rights recognized by the 1st Amendment as well as by state constitutional provisions and laws, they are grieving our Lord when they put themselves at least to some degree under another lover.

I understand that many Christians have been deceived about these matters. I also understand that most of those who have been deceived are like the Pharisees–their minds are closed to these truths. They have never studied the issues and they will not study the issues. I will continue to proclaim the truths of the Word of God to those who have an ear to hear what the Spirit says unto the churches.

With love in Christ,
Jerald Finney

VI. Letter No. 5 received on April 21, 2010

Greetings Brother Jerald,

Without taking too much of your time, would you be kind enough to give me a quick general overview of your position regarding whether or not a local ekklesia (or Lordship church) should possess a “church charter”.  As I believe you know, I appreciate and value your input on matters of this nature.

Thank you in advance.
Peace and blessings in Christ to you,
______________: pastor & ambassador for the Christ

My Reply to Letter No. 5

Dear Brother ______________________,

In my opinion, a church should not have a church “charter” because this  would violate biblical principles. I base this on an application of the biblical doctrines of the church, government and separation of church and state to the definition of “charter” in a modern Webster’s dictionary, the 1828 Webster’s dictionary, and Black’s Law Dictionary. I think you will agree if you look at those definitions. If you disagree, please let me know.

Thanks for respecting me enough to seek my opinion. I also greatly esteem you and your efforts for our Lord.

For His Glory,
Brother Jerald Finney

VII. Letter No. 6 received March 20, 2011

Hello

I’m rather well informed about the 501c3 church issue, it’s been a matter of personal study for the last 2 years and so I don’t need any more convincing about it.  You’re probably familiar with people asking you the question, “ok Mr. Finney I live in randomtown USA and don’t want to be leavened by my local 501c3 ‘church’.  What do you recommend?”  Well, it’s about time I ask you that question myself.  What do you recommend?  I’m a 26 year old man, young husband, new father, believe the authorized version is God’s words preserved and translated by faithful men into English.  Believe Jesus Christ is King of Kings and has the preeminence in all things.  Looking for preaching against Rome and her idolatries etc etc. Any suggestions on what in the world to do?  We live in a suburb of Cleveland, Ohio if it’s any help.

Eric
Eric Rodriguez
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus  1Tim 2:5

My Reply to Letter No. 6

Dear Brother,

You might contact the following pastor about such a church in your area. I don’t remember if Novelty, Ohio is a suburb of Cincinnati or Cleveland. At any rate, he  may be able to help you find a church if Doers of the Word Baptist Church is not close to where you live.

Sanders, Pastor Ernie Doers of the Word Baptist Church; 9975 Kinsman Rd. (#87), Novelty, Ohio 44072; Home Phone: 440-338-6323; Phone No. 440-729-7717; 440-564-1319;

God bless you for seeking to do things His way.

For His Glory,
Brother Jerald Finney

VIII. Letter No. 7 received March 11, 2011
in response to “The Biblical Doctrine of Separation of Church and State.”

This is perfect! I asked God for more wisdom and knowledge about the biblical doctrine of the separation of the church and state and here,,, just learning all about the wonderful teachings Mr J Finney provided.

I am also considering going into politics as Christian so that my country represent will know that God is alive and through God we can build democracy. Thank you for this site! God Bless.

My Reply to Letter No. 7

Thanks for your comment. We need knowledgeable believers running our civil governments. May the Lord bless you greatly.

Jerald Finney

IX. Letter No. 8 received on March 5, 2011 commenting on
the sermon “The Soon Coming of the Son of Man”
by Missionary Richard Miller

Greetings Brother Finney,

Once again I want to thank you for the email of 3/3/2011…I have listened to most of the sermon’s, however I had not listened to Brother Richard Miller’s sermon on “The soon coming of The Son of Man”.

I have listened to Brother Miller the second time on this sermon. (Fantastic)

I read all of Brother Miller’s Biography…What a great work this Brother is doing in reference to the Lord’s Word.

Thank you for all of work you are doing for our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ…I am getting such an abundance of “Knowledge and Wisdom”, thanks to all of your work and effort. AMEN.

Love on Jesus Christ
John W. Baird

My Reply to Letter No. 8

Thanks, Bro. Baird. I agree with you on Bro. Miller. What a great message. I have heard him preach 2 or 3 times and every time he has hit a home run. I publish comments from pastors and other Christians from time to time. Would you give me permission to publish yours with your identity (not your e-mail address or contact info.)? Or, if not with your name, without your name? I would greatly appreciate your permission to do so.

God bless you and thanks for the encouragement.

For His Glory,
Bro. Finney

X. Letter No. 9 received on January 10, 2011

Dear Brother Jerald Finney,

I want to thank you for the email of 01-08-2011 [linking to the blog article] Christ, the Bridegroom/Husband/Head of His churches‏.

It has been difficult to figure out just where to start…So after some serious thought and looking over the choices…I decided to! Why not start with (About Jerald Finney) you. I believe I made an excellent choice. I want to commend you for all the work and study you have put into the Work of The Lord Jesus Christ. I am 85 an unless the Lord really wants me to, I will never be able to get through it all, one reason, one really needs to slow up and absorb what he is reading? Just in case you can not place the name. I am Chris Millers Grandpa. Thanks again. Wishing you and yours a nice day.

Love On Jesus Christ
John W. Baird

My Reply to Letter No. 9

Dear Brother Baird,

Thanks for your comment. I just posted it. I have been out of town most of the last 3-4 months and have gotten behind. It takes a lot of time to study these issues out, but it is good to see a brother in Christ who is interested in the things of God.

Hope to see you before long. Chris is a great young man of God. One of my favorites. You and his dad did a great job, with the Lord’s help, bringing him up.

Brother Finney

Letter No. 10 received on December 29, 2010 (On David Barton)

Jerald Finney received the following interplay by e-mail:

Every living American needs to see and hear this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlfEdJNn15E.

It’s the true history. It is and can  be documented. If the click on link doesn’t appear then go to utube. Address below.

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I’ve seen this before, it was very impressive! Somebody asked, “what happened”? I’ll tell you plainly: AMERICA (citizens, churches & government) HAS FORGOTTEN HER ROOTS AND UPBRINGING AND TURNED HER BACK COMPLETELY TOWARD GOD! HER LAMP HAS GONE OUT, Period!! Judgment day is comingSOON!!  Better repent & be ready Phil. 4:13 <///><

Sandy

This is well worth the time to take watching. A church site I didn’t know about?  First English Bible printed by whom and when?  This is something we were never taught in school…! I did not know this, did you?  ——–  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlfEdJNn15E

So what happened?

My Reply:

Beloved friends,

For many years, I followed and greatly admired David Barton. I worked in the political parties to bring America back under God. I supported the “God save America” efforts of the fundamental Baptist movement. However, Barton and other Christian authors and speakers I depended upon did not explain certain matters that obviously needed to be explained. For example, I repeated their mantra, as did a lot of other Christians, “Separation of church and state is not found in the Constitution” (or “The words ‘separation of church and state’ are not found in the Constitution.”). So what is to be concluded from that question? Should church and state be combined? If so, who is to control, church or state? What can one expect from a combination of church and state if the state controls? What if the church controls? Which church will control, and what will happen to those labeled “heretics” because they refuse to bow down to the established religion, especially to those who hold an interpretation which conflicts with established creed? Will they suffer the fate of Christians in many Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, and Moslem nations (When in power, Islam, by the way, believes in and practices union of religion and state)? And what about separation of God and state as we now see in America? How can God be over a nation? How can God’s principles be the guiding light for a nation? How did America become a pluralistic nation that has rejected the one true God? Etc.

David Barton never publicly looks any deeper than the selected historical facts he quotes and at times misquotes and always incorrectly analyzes. He does not explain his theology. Some of the other leaders who share Barton’s beliefs do look deeper, explain their theology, and intend union of church and state. Their intentions are based upon a false interpretation of Scripture. They believe, against biblical teaching and against the witness of history, that the union of church and state will result in peace and unity on earth before Christ returns. They are actively promoting the one world government and religion that is prophesied in the Bible; and they don’t understand this because of their perversion of Scripture.

Yes, the facts Barton cites can be documented. However, David Barton leaves out a lot of facts that need to be studied and known in order to correctly understand the history of America. He is a Christian revisionist. Because American Christians have followed Christian revisionism, America has continued to decline at an accelerating rate. I learned this as a result of my life experiences including experiences in the law and in years of study of what is happening in many churches. In my studies, I came across many facts-facts that anyone can easily verify-which David Barton and other Christian revisionist never mentioned; through studying both contemporary and historical books which, when put together, tell the whole story. I found the answers to the questions presented in the first paragraph above, and much more.

I give a lot of facts that David Barton never touches upon in my books (click the following link for links to books, including those I have written: http://churchandstatelaw.com/gpage1.html), articles, and audio teachings. Those facts must be known before one can understand the issues. My articles are published on https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/, any my audio teaching are published on https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/ and http://churchandstatelaw.com/gpage2.html.

Click the following links for more on David Barton: “Exposing the Dangers of David Barton’s Teachings” and “David Barton’s Christian Revisionism.”

After salvation, God desires that his children grow in knowledge. “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge” (Ho. 4.6). “According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:  Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.  But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall” (2 Pe. 1.3-10). I explain this in much more detail in my teachings. Go to https://opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com/after-salvation/ for a biblical teaching on growing in knowledge, understanding and wisdom.

Should Christians continue their misguided attempts to “save America,” less and less will be accomplished for that cause, much less the cause of saving our American churches and the cause of winning souls to Christ. As I labored long and hard to bring America back under God starting in the mid-80s, I watched as my efforts along with those of millions of well-meaning Christians produced no true victories and as America (and more importantly, her churches and Christians) moved farther and farther from God and His principles. Keep following men like David Barton. Based upon biblical teaching and principles, I believe your efforts will continue to be counterproductive.

For His Glory,
Jerald Finney, believer, BBA, JD

P.S. I strongly recommend the book Outcome-Based Religion by Mac Dominick

Comments of Eric Rodriguez

Hello

A few years ago I would have scoffed at you for being unpatriotic and anti-American.  Having been thoroughly immersed in the neo-conservative ecumenical  hodge podge otherwise known as FoxNews, your email definitely would have fallen on deaf ears.  Casting the 501c3 inc. trap in light of scripture makes such a difference!  I want to keep this email brief so I’ll get to the point.  The point is, I think you should check out the documentary, “The Hidden Faith of our Fathers”.  I noticed that David Barton didn’t mention the word “freemason” in that promo video.  You can tell a lot about a ‘teacher’ by the things they say.  You can also tell a lot about a ‘teacher’ by the things they omit.  The catch is, unless you know that something’s missing, you’ll never be suspicious if something is missing because you won’t know in the first place that it needs to be said!!  Here’s the link to the promo video:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upZmIp0X1Hs

Eric

Comments of Aron Brackeen

Dear Jerald Finney,

My beloved brother, studious friend, and benevolent mentor, you have conveyed a much needed critique of the David Barton’s efforts to communicate a partial and misguided view of American history.  You are to be commended.

I have to wonder if those to whom you sent this know and understand about the partiality of Barton’s grasp on such subjects.  Do they recognize the facts that, in the architectural embellishment of the Supreme Court building, there are many icons represented.  There, one will see Hammurabi, Moses, Solomon, Lycurgus, Solon, Draco, Confucius, Augustus, Justinian, Mohammed, Charlemagne, King John, St. Louis, Hugo Grotius, William Blackstone, John Marshall, and Napoleon.  Moses, with BLANK tablets, is no more in stature or prominence than the others up above the heads of men in the South Courtroom Frieze.  The sculpture located above the East (or rear) entrance to the Supreme Court is Justice the Guardian of Liberty, the supposed image of Moses is in company with Confucius and Solon.  I have to wonder if Moses could tolerate such an generic association of so-called great leaders if were he alive today.

That’s not all.  On the oak courtroom doors are the supposed Mosaic Laws on two tablets; laws represented by Roman numerals only AND on the bottom-half of the door, not in the line of vision, as is the top ornament.  I have to wonder some more: Do any of your readers know who Adolph Weinman was, that is, his worldview and how it shaped his sculptures?  (They can find out here, http://www.aaa.si.edu/collectionsonline/weinadol/, if the dare.)  He’s the one who executed sculpture for the Supreme Court.  The Rotunda is a different story.

In the U.S. Capitol Rotunda that David Barton so adorns with his revisionist history, the particular paintings he loves to tell the story of (Landing of Columbus, 1847; Baptism of Pocahontas, 1837;  Embarkation of the Pilgrims, 1844) weren’t added until between 1837 and 1847.  That’s significant in itself.  But it gets worse.  Shall I mention the Frieze of American History?  Yes!

It is paintings that appear as a carved stone around the rotunda ring below the thirty-six windows.  It isn’t as doctrinal as one would suppose after listening to Barton.  Started on paper in 1859, the first seven and half scenes were all that were done by 1880 before the artist died.  It was completed–except for a 31-foot mistake–by a different artist in 1889.  The last correction was done in 1951.  The dates are important.  Constantino Brumidi, undoubtedly Roman Catholic due to his background, started this elaborate imagery of American History with more than is know if Barton is the only source.  Notice what he started with in these scenes:

  • America and History
    Landing of Columbus
    Cortez and Montezuma at Mexican Temple (absolutely nothing to do with American history or authentic Christianity)
    Pizarro Going to Peru (absolutely nothing to do with American history or authentic Christianity, unless you associate it with what humans pursue–wealth)
    Burial of DeSoto
    Captain Smith and Pocahontas
    Landing of the Pilgrims
  • and half of William Penn and the Indians
    To me, what is interesting about the content of historical representation is the mixture that is shown in the District of Criminals.  That mixture of ideas is the very thing Christians are warned about and prohibited from in the Holy Writ of God: something Enlightenment thinkers would and did reason away with all sorts of fanciful distortions of truth.

Jerald, may the archives of Heaven welcome your content.  Continue being a light in  what is increasingly becoming the darkest of days in all of American history AND what is called Christianity.

Our LORD guide your heart into the love of God and the patient waiting for Jesus Christ.

Soli Deo Gloria,
Aron Brackeen

My reply:

Beloved concerned and active believers,

If you really want to begin to know “the rest of the story” or the whole story concerning David Barton’s teachings, please start with the bottom letter and go up. It will only take you a few minutes and may be of great help to you in your future endeavors for the Glory of God. May the Lord richly bless you with all spiritual blessings as you proceed in knowledge, wisdom, and understanding.

As you can see, two of the contributors to this exchange, Aron Brackeen and Eric Rodriguez (who would a few years ago called me unpatriotic and anti-American, as I would have called someone with my present views.), have looked deeper into the facts.

For His Glory,
Jerald Finney, believer, JD, BBA

XII. Note

God Betrayed/Separation of Church and State: The Biblical Principles and the American Application (Link to preview of God Betrayed): may be ordered from Amazon by clicking the following link: God Betrayed on Amazon.com or from Barnes and Nobel by clicking the following link: God Betrayed on Barnes and Noble. All books by Jerald Finney as well as many of the books he has referenced and read may also be ordered by left clicking “Books” (on the “Church and State Law” website) or directly from Amazon by going to the following links: (1) Render Unto God the Things that Are His: A Systematic Study of Romans 13 and Related Verses (Kindle only); (2) The Most Important Thing: Loving God and/or Winning Souls (Kindle only); (3) Separation of Church and State/God’s Churches: Spiritual or Legal Entities? (Link to preview of Separation of Church and State/God’s Churches: Spiritual or Legal Entities?) which can also be ordered by clicking the following Barnes and Noble link: Separation of Church and State on Barnes and Noble.

XIII. Links to Internal Revenue Code Laws

You can read portions of the following Internal Revenue Code laws which pertain to churches and pastors by going to the following site: “Laws Protecting New Testament Churches in the United States: Read Them for Yourself”; or you may read an entire law online by clicking the following links:

1. § 501(c)(3). Exemption from tax on corporations, certain trusts, etc.
2.
§ 508. Special rules with respect to section 501(c)(3) organizations
3.
§ 7611. Restrictions on church tax inquiries and examinations
4.
§ 1402. [Dealing with taxes on income of pastors]
5.
§ 107. Rental value of parsonages
6.
§ 102. Gifts and inheritances (Tithes and offerings are gifts and, therefore, according to the Internal Revenue Code § 102, not income)
7.
§ 2503. Taxable gifts
8.
§ 170. Charitable, etc., contributions and gifts

XIV. Note

The Biblical Law Center helps churches to organize as New Testament churches completely out from under civil government and under God only. See churchandstatelaw.com for contact information for Jerald Finney, counsel for the Biblical Law Center. This is a ministry, not a business enterprise. Jerald Finney has made no profit at all in this endeavor of Christian love, but rather has expended much of his own money for God’s glory, in attempting to provide information and service for God’s churches.

All conclusions in this article are opinions of the author. Please do not attempt to act in the legal system if you are not a lawyer, even if you are a born-again Christian. Many questions and finer points of the law and the interpretation of the law cannot be properly understood by a simple facial reading of a civil law. For a born-again Christian to understand American law, litigation, and the legal system as well as spiritual matters within the legal system requires years of study and practice of law as well as years of study of Biblical principles, including study of the Biblical doctrines of government, church, and separation of church and state. You can always find a lawyer or Christian who will agree with the position that an American church should become incorporated and get 501(c)(3) status. Jerald Finney will discuss the matter, as time avails, with any such person, with confidence that his position is supported by God’s Word, history, and law. He is always willing, free of charge and with love, to support his belief that for a church to submit herself to civil government in any manner grieves our Lord and ultimately results in undesirable consequences. He does not have unlimited time to talk to individuals. However, he will teach or debate groups, and will point individuals to resources which fully explain his positions.

About Jerald Finney: The author is a Christian first and a lawyer second. He has no motive to mislead you. In fact, his motivation is to tell you the truth about this matter, and he guards himself against temptation on this and other issues by doing all he does at no charge. He does not seek riches. His motivation is his love for God first and for others second. His goal is the Glory of God. Jerald Finney has been saved since 1982. God called him to go to law school for His Glory. In obedience, Finney entered the University of Texas School of Law in 1990, was licensed and began to practice law, for the Glory of God, in November of 1993.  To learn more about the author click the following link: About Jerald Finney.

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More letters from pastors and others concerning this “Separation of Church and State Law” site

Jerald Finney
Copyright © December, 2010
Left click the following link for easy access to all articles on this website:
Complete listing of articles on “Separation of Church and State Law” blog

CLICK HERE TO GO TO
LETTERS AND QUESTIONS FROM PASTORS AND OTHERS ANSWERED

Contents:

Note. A “+” represents a supportive letter, a “-” a negative letter.

I. Introduction

II. Letter No. 1 (+), my reply, and reply to my reply (On Israel)
III. Letter No. 2 (+) and my reply (Good questions)
IV. Letter No. 3(-) and my reply (Winning the lost)
V. Letter No. 4 and my reply (Holy Ghost Theology)
VI. Letter No. 5 (-) and my reply (On the KJV issue)
VII. Letter No. 6 (+)(From Dr. Bob Welch) and my reply
VIII. Letter No. 7 (+) and my reply
IX. Letter No. 8 (+) and my reply (Pastor of corporate 501c3 church wants out)
X. Letter No. 9 (+) and my reply (Letter from Dr. Bob Welch, 73 yr. old pastor and missionary)

XI. Links to IRS Laws
XII. Information of books by Jerald Finney including links to online previews of two of his books.
XIII. Note concerning the Biblical Law Center and Jerald Finney 

I. Introduction

This article presents more e-mails from pastors with their comments, concerns, and questions concerning articles on this blog, and my replies to those e-mails. These e-mail letters not only raise important questions which need to be addressed, but also give insights into the thoughts of pastors.

II. Letter No. 1 received on 12/6/10

Dear Mr. Finney: I have been reading your new book “God Betrayed” I am not far into it as of yet. But I was wondering where does Israel stand in todays geo-political scene? I know that in the future they will be in their land under God. But what about them now in the land?Thank you for you reply,
____________________

My Reply to Letter No. 1 (12/6/10)

Dear Mr. (if you are a pastor, I should say Pastor) ________________,

As foretold by prophesy, Israel was reestablished as a nation, as you know, in 1948. Israel will never be removed from the land again. As you know, at some point in time, the Gentile nations still in existence will send their armies against Israel. God will intervene, crush the Gentile armies, set up His Kingdom on earth, and rule from Jerusalem. Of course, many religions twist Scripture (mainly through allegorization), deny this truth, and claim that God is finished with Israel and that the nation of Israel should be destroyed.

The provable fact remains that nations who bless Israel are and will be blessed and those who curse Israel are and will be cursed, according the Abrahamic Covenant. It is a mistake for a nation or for an individual to commit the error of Balaam-his mistake was in reasoning from natural morality, and seeing the evil in Israel, he supposed a righteous God must curse them. He did not take into account the Abrahamic Covenant which God made with Israel. I go over this in much more detail in God Betrayed.

If you disagree with me on this, please let me know your reasoning.

For His Glory,
Brother Finney

Reply to my reply

Mr. Finney:

I agree wholeheartedly, thank U for your quick reply.

______________

III. Letter No. 2 received on 11/30/10

Hello Brother Finney,

Allow me to introduce myself, my name is __________________, I recently graduated from ______________________ Baptist College and God has called me to plant an Independent Fundamental KJV Baptist church in ___________________, PA. I’m currently preparing to go on deputation to start raising the support needed to do such. This is all new to me and I’m trying to learn as much as I can – especially about the legalities involved. I stumbled upon your website while trying to find info about the 501c3.

I’ve spent half the day reading various articles on your website blog regarding the legalities and issues that come with incorporating a church, I did not know you had the option. I have heard very little about incorporation but had been told it was something I’d need to do to protect myself from lawsuits and to get tax exempt status. I now see that you do not have to be incorporated to receive tax exempt status which I’m thrilled to learn since I do not believe the government has any right to tax or regulate our churches nor do I want them having any kind of control over God’s pulpit. I also now understand why many pastors say they will lose their tax-exempt status if they endorse a political candidate or fear preaching against sodomy, it’s all related to incorporations, contracts, and government oversight.

So, thank you for your articles, they’ve enlightened me and helped me a lot. But I still have some questions if you wouldn’t mind taking the time to answer them.

First in the matter of deputation, I know most missionaries are supported by monthly check going through their local church, is this money taxable as income? Is it wise for a missionary to receive support money directly or should it go through a local church? I plan to raise support then use that support to both live on and to find a church building to rent or buy.

As a non-incorporated New Testament Baptist Church, how would I go about receiving church money, and specifically a salary, legally? Is my salary taxable? What about church property, would the church have to pay property taxes? Would I need to purchase the church property and put all buildings and such in my name or is there a way of putting it in the church’s name without it being incorporated? Can you open a bank account in a non-incorporated church’s name?

In the event I were to need an assistant pastor, how would I go about “hiring” and paying him legally? or a secretary for that matter? since a non-incorporated church cannot have employees. How would a non-incorporated church go about starting a Christian school? Would the school need to be incorporated?

I apologize for the many questions, I am just thinking ahead and trying to learn as much as I can about the legalities involved so I can plan accordingly. I plan on starting a bus ministry, Christian school, and a Christian children’s home, along with many other things in the future and want to make sure everything is done right from the start.

Thank you for your time and blogs, they have been a blessing.

Brother _________________________

My Reply

Dear Brother ________________________,

I do have answers to all your questions, but I just have a minute right now. To go over all the questions would take more time than that. I would be honored to discuss your questions with you, so perhaps we can arrange to talk about this over the phone. My cell number is 512-785-8445, and my home number is 512-385-0761. Maybe we can touch base and arrange a time to talk about these matters of utmost importance to our Lord. I will be looking forward to meeting and talking with you. Let me just mention that this is a ministry with me and I do not charge pastors and missionaries.

May the Lord richly bless you in all that you do.

For His Glory,
Brother Jerald Finney

IV. Letter No. 3 received on 10/5/10)

Dear Sir,

The email address that I have responded to you is the one that needs removal from your list.  We are located in the state of Rhode Island.  It seems to me that we have enough of a hard time trying to win the lost and keep them serving the Lord faithfully.  I fail to understand your calling to expose anyone that disagrees with your position.  I believe, as the Scripture teaches, each servant stands or falls to his own master.  To be frank with you, I believe it is people that hold such dogmatic positions against other “Christians” that do more harm than good.  I believe you may have the best of intentions but please exclude us from your email list at this time.  We appreciate you honoring our request.

Pastor ________________________

My Reply to Letter No. 3:

Dear Pastor _________________________,

Your request has been honored and your e-mail is removed.

The Bible tells me to earnestly contend for the faith (Jude 1.3), but also to shun profane and vain babblings as well as to avoid foolish and unlearned questions (1 Ti. 2.16, 23). I feel that I must give an answer in order to comply with the former even though part of your letter is certainly consistent with the latter.

My main concern in my biblically based teachings is winning the lost and opposing theologies and “Christian” practices that lead to fewer souls being saved—that is opposing the heresies and apostasies in so-called Bible believing churches. In reply to your note, it is obvious that you have not studied some biblical teachings, much less read my writings or listened to my audio teachings.

I strongly suggest, for the glory of God, that you read what I have written before you comment upon it. I also suggest a study of the biblical teaching about church, state, separation of church and state, heresy and apostasy. I suggest a reading and study of all of 2 Ti. 2 which describes the path of a good soldier in time of apostasy.

For His Glory,
Jerald Finney

V. Letter No. 4 received on as a comment on opbcbibletrust.wordpress.com on 9/21/10

Mr. Finney,

I appreciate your voluminous work on Bible interpretation. You have correctly spoken against churches being incorporated to the state. Let me preface my remarks by saying I do not consider any school of Bible interpretation correct, and that they all lead to creating the Traditions of Men, or the current group of Pharisees and Sadducees we have masquerading as “Men of God” in today’s world. There is only one way to correctly interpret God’s Word and that is through the Holy Spirit! Therefore my theology, if you will, is Holy Ghost Theology! Listening to your broadcasts on Dispensational and Covenant Theology left me with a question for you: You say that Covenant theology doesn’t believe in literally interpreting the Bible, and that’s why they spiritualize the interpretation of the 144,000 mentioned in the Book of Revelation. Do you literally interpret the teachings of Jesus Christ? Do you believe Christians should take up arms and fight in wars?

Thanks for your time,
_________________

My Reply to Letter No. 4 [Note. I intentionally am not answering some of the questions in the above letter: “Do you literally interpret the teachings of Jesus Christ? Do you believe Christians should take up arms and fight in wars?” I do read between the lines of the letter in giving my answer. I believe I know where this person is coming from since I talk to a lot of people in seeking to win the lost;  and I try to give him an answer that will cause him to reevaluate what I perceive to be his wandering and misguided interpretations of Scripture.]

Thanks for your comment. There are many heretical positions and actions within “Christianity” besides those dealing with the issue of “separation of church and state.” God called me to deal with the specific issue of “separation of church and state,” but over the years I have had to face other heresies, beginning immediately after the Lord saved me in 1982. Among those were Pentecostalism and the Charismatic movement which stress “signs and wonders,” “speaking in tongues,” “health and wealth gospel,” incorrect interpretation of “the filling with the Holy Spirit,” etc. Those and other movements did not move me because all the teaching and preaching I heard was solidly biblical. I discovered, from studying my Bible, that one purpose of the Holy Spirit is to illuminate what is in Scripture, not to communicate new truth or instruct in matters unknown.

Although I am actively involved with several ministries, this “separation of church and state” ministry takes much more of my time than any of the others. I simply do not have time to debate every heresy. However, God has provided good resources for the believer who is seeking truth. As to the heresies mentioned in the first paragraph, I suggest that a very excellent resource is Charismatic Chaos by John F. MacArthur, Jr.

May the Lord lead you into truth regarding this very important issue.

For His Glory,
Jerald Finney

VI. Letter No. 5 received on 9/13/10

The King James Bible is not inspired.  God’s words are inspired.

_______________________

My Reply to Letter No. 5 (9/14/10)

Dear Ms. ________________,

This issue requires serious thought and analysis. In all due respect, and in love, and as kindly as I can think to reply to your statement, you need to do a lot of Holy Spirit led study before entering into this debate. If you do that, you will be able to both intelligently comment on the subject and also to understand that the KJV is God’s Word in English. God is perfectly capable of giving those of us who speak English (as well as any other language) His inspired Word. He has done so, Satan hates it, and is doing all he can to discredit God’s Word.

By the way, if God is not able to give us His perfect Word, He is not able to do what He has told us He would do and He is not the all-powerful, all-knowing, all-seeing God which I am totally convinced that He is. Preserving His Word is much less difficult than many of the other things that He has done, is doing, and will do. If we do not have His Word, then all is in vain.

For His Glory,
Brother Jerald Finney

VII. Letter No. 6 received on 9/13/10

Just want ou to know that you are a continued blessing and encouragement to me. I always tell young preachers and Believers – “Do right – no matter what any one else does – ALWAYS DO RIGHT – that is being biblical in that rightness.” Thank you be ‘being right on and biblical!’

Dr. Bob Welch, Pastor
King Cove, Alaska 99612

My Reply to Letter No. (9/14/10)

Dear Pastor Welch,

Thank you greatly for the encouragement!

For His Glory,
Brother Jerald Finney

VIII. Letter No. 7 received 5/15/10

Thank you for sending me your articles.  Just out of curiosity, where did you get my email address?  As far as I know we’ve never met nor had I ever previously visited your web site.  Not a huge deal just curious.

Your Servant for Christ,
___________________, Pastor
Grace Baptist Church

My Reply to Letter No. 7 (5/18/10)

Dear Pastor ________________________,

I apologize for not getting back with you sooner. It has been a busy week or two.

Thanks for your kind e-mail. My hope in this ministry is to be a blessing. I got your e-mail address from an online list.

For His Glory,
Bro. Jerald Finney

IX. Letter No. 8 received 4/8/10

My Dear Brother,

I have been so convicted of this and did not know what to do. I have started a church and incorporated it. I am Pastoring a church that is incorporated for 52 years now. I have been here 7 years and would love to remove this sin in the camp. Please help me to do this. I have been thinking of changing the name and getting a fresh start. Would that work? Let me know.

Saved To Serve,
Pastor _________________________

My Reply to Letter No. 8

Dear Pastor _______________________,

I just sent you an e-mail with my phone numbers. Please contact me and I will consider it an honor to go over the procedures with you. The organization I work with has helped many churches get out from under civil government control through incorporation and 501c3. A lawyer founded the organization in the 1980s and developed the legal procedures and documents for organizing churches according to New Testament principles as well as the civil laws in America.

I will be looking forward to talking with you. My phone numbers are given in my e-mail. You can also get contact information, including phone numbers by going to the “Contact” page of the website, churchandstatelaw.com.

For His Glory,
Brother Jerald Finney

X. Letter No. 9 received 4/3/10

My Dear Brother Jerald,

Greeting in the Precious Name of our soon coming God and Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.

I read through a number of your articles and Emails. It is a joy to read your articles and sound exegeses of Scripture. It is pathetic at times to read the responses from ‘Pastors’ who ought to know better. But, as far as I see, we are living in the last day – days of apostasy. I often, in this day,  deal with some of the same resistance and find that people get ‘angry’ with me for an unwillingness to ‘change’ with the times.

I was saved at Word of Life Camps, under the ministry then of Jack Wyrtzen. Now just to say that Word of Life is not what or where it used to be biblical. My date of salvation: June 24, 1956 at the age of 19. I have been in church related ministries since. Involved in Missions Ministry with Missionaries in the Dominican Republic – starting church. In the last year over 300 have been saved and two churches started. I’m still a pastor at the age of 73.

That is simply an introduction of myself. The main purpose of this Email is to commend you on you strong, biblical stance on Scripture. In a day when I see so many falling away from the Truth it is good to see someone sticking in there – in spite of the opposition.

God’s best to you. May His sufficient grace be with you – as He has promised – may you always stay true and faithful to Him, His word and His call upon you life.

Bob Welch, Pastor/Missionary

My Reply to Letter No. 9

Dear Pastor Welch,

What a joy to hear from another pastor and missionary who honors our love relationship with our Lord and Savior! Thanks for taking time to read my e-mails and sending encouragement. As you well know as I can see from reading your e-mail, it is vexing to see the state of knowledge, understanding, and wisdom among some or our allegedly Bible believing brethren. When I get an e-mail such as yours, I become more determined to continue in this spiritual battle the Lord has called me into.

May the Lord continue to richly bless you! What a blessing to know that you are still serving our Lord at 73. I see that your desire was not that of many pastors-retirement with all its perks provided by church they built along with the help of the civil government. I pray that I am able to keep working for our Lord until I go home. I am 63 now.

For His Glory,
Brother Jerald Finney

XI. Note

God Betrayed/Separation of Church and State: The Biblical Principles and the American Application (Link to preview of God Betrayed): may be ordered from Amazon by clicking the following link: God Betrayed on Amazon.com or from Barnes and Nobel by clicking the following link: God Betrayed on Barnes and Noble. All books by Jerald Finney as well as many of the books he has referenced and read may also be ordered by left clicking “Books” (on the “Church and State Law” website) or directly from Amazon by going to the following links: (1) Render Unto God the Things that Are His: A Systematic Study of Romans 13 and Related Verses (Kindle only); (2) The Most Important Thing: Loving God and/or Winning Souls (Kindle only); (3) Separation of Church and State/God’s Churches: Spiritual or Legal Entities? (Link to preview of Separation of Church and State/God’s Churches: Spiritual or Legal Entities?) which can also be ordered by clicking the following Barnes and Noble link: Separation of Church and State on Barnes and Noble.

XII. Links to Internal Revenue Code Laws

You can read portions of the following Internal Revenue Code laws which pertain to churches and pastors by going to the following site: “Laws Protecting New Testament Churches in the United States: Read Them for Yourself”; or you may read an entire law online by clicking the following links:

1. § 501(c)(3). Exemption from tax on corporations, certain trusts, etc.
2. § 508. Special rules with respect to section 501(c)(3) organizations
3. § 7611. Restrictions on church tax inquiries and examinations
4. § 1402. [Dealing with taxes on income of pastors]
5. § 107. Rental value of parsonages
6. § 102. Gifts and inheritances (Tithes and offerings are gifts and, therefore, according to the Internal Revenue Code § 102, not income)
7.
§ 2503. Taxable gifts
8. § 170. Charitable, etc., contributions and gifts

XIII. Note

The Biblical Law Center helps churches to organize as New Testament churches completely out from under civil government and under God only. See churchandstatelaw.com for contact information for Jerald Finney, counsel for the Biblical Law Center. This is a ministry, not a business enterprise. Jerald Finney has made no profit at all in this endeavor of Christian love, but rather has expended much of his own money for God’s glory, in attempting to provide information and service for God’s churches.

All conclusions in this article are opinions of the author. Please do not attempt to act in the legal system if you are not a lawyer, even if you are a born-again Christian. Many questions and finer points of the law and the interpretation of the law cannot be properly understood by a simple facial reading of a civil law. For a born-again Christian to understand American law, litigation, and the legal system as well as spiritual matters within the legal system requires years of study and practice of law as well as years of study of Biblical principles, including study of the Biblical doctrines of government, church, and separation of church and state. You can always find a lawyer or Christian who will agree with the position that an American church should become incorporated and get 501(c)(3) status. Jerald Finney will discuss the matter, as time avails, with any such person, with confidence that his position is supported by God’s Word, history, and law. He is always willing, free of charge and with love, to support his belief that for a church to submit herself to civil government in any manner grieves our Lord and ultimately results in undesirable consequences. He does not have unlimited time to talk to individuals. However, he will teach or debate groups, and will point individuals to resources which fully explain his positions.

About Jerald Finney: The author is a Christian first and a lawyer second. He has no motive to mislead you. In fact, his motivation is to tell you the truth about this matter, and he guards himself against temptation on this and other issues by doing all he does at no charge. He does not seek riches. His motivation is his love for God first and for others second. His goal is the Glory of God. Jerald Finney has been saved since 1982. God called him to go to law school for His Glory. In obedience, Finney entered the University of Texas School of Law in 1990, was licensed and began to practice law, for the Glory of God, in November of 1993.  To learn more about the author click the following link: About Jerald Finney.

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Letters from pastors regarding Hyles/Schaap and other articles


Jerald Finney
Copyright © September, 2010


Contents of this article:

Note. A “+” represents a supportive letter, a “-” a negative letter

I. Introduction
II. (+) Letter No. 1 (Response to the article
“On Jack Hyles’ Sermon, The Treasure is in a Field”
)
III. My Reply to Letter No. 1
IV. (+) Letter No. 2 (Response to the article
“Jack Schaap, First Baptist of Hammond, Heresy and Apostasy”)
V. My Reply to Letter No. 2
VI. (-) Letter No. 3 (Response to the article
“Jack Schaap, First Baptist of Hammond, Heresy and Apostasy”
)
VII. My Reply to Letter No. 3
VIII. Pastor’s Reply to My Reply – Letter No. 3
IX. My Reply to Pastor’s Reply – Letter No. 3
X. (-) Letter No. 4 (Response to the article
“Jack Schaap, First Baptist of Hammond, Heresy and Apostasy”
)
XI. My Reply to Letter No. 4
XII. (+) Letter No. 5 (Response to the article
“Jack Schaap, First Baptist of Hammond, Heresy and Apostasy”
)
XIII. My Reply to Letter No. 5
XIV. (-) Letter No. 6 (Response to the article
“Jack Schaap, First Baptist of Hammond, Heresy and Apostasy”
)
XV. My Reply to Letter No. 6
XVI. (-) Letter No. 7  (Response to the article
“On Jack Hyles’ Sermon, The Treasure is in a Field”
)
XVII. My Reply to Letter No. 7
XVIII. (+) Letter No. 8 (In appreciation for articles on heresy and apostasy)
XIX. My Reply to Letter No. 8
XX. Letter No. 9 ()
XXI. (+) My Reply to Letter No. 9 (Response to article
“Your conviction to incorporate God’s church or not”
)
XXII. (+) Letter No. 10 (Response to article
“Your conviction to incorporate God’s church or not”
)
XXIII. My Reply to Letter No. 10
XXIV. Note with link to the book God Betrayed and other info. on books
XXV. Links to IRS Laws


I. Introduction

This article presents more e-mails from pastors with their comments, concerns, and questions concerning articles on this blog, and my replies to those e-mails. Pastors’ letters commenting upon the last article published on this “Separation of Church and State” blog – Jack Schaap, First Baptist of Hammond, Heresy and Apostasy – raised concerns on matters such as church autonomy which the author addresses in his replies below.

This is the fourth article on this blog with letters from pastors. The first article was What Pastors Are Saying in Response to this “Separation of Church and State Law” Blog (click link to go to article). The second article was Letters from Pastors in Response to this Separation of Church and State Blog and My Replies. The third article was More Letters from Pastors in Response to this Separation of Church and State Blog and My Replies.

These e-mail letters not only raise important questions which need to be addressed, but also give insights into the thoughts of pastors on issues such as church incorporation and 501(c)(3).

II. Letter No. 1 (Received on August 17, 2010 in response to the article
“On Jack Hyles’ Sermon, The Treasure is in a Field”)

Brother Finney,

I want to thank you for your emails they are a great encouragement to me. You graciously attempted to contact me approximately two years ago after I wrote to you the first time. You left your info for me to call back but I must confess and ask your forgiveness, I failed. Who knows why, I could have been busy, or just tired. I don’t know for sure. To rekindle your memory, I am a son in the ministry to Doc. Dixon. I am a bus kid from the Temple, I was on staff from 85-89. I pastor in Lafayette, Tn. now. I am a preacher that believes the unregistered position is absolutely scriptural. You and I have a few differences but just enough to sharpen each other and not hurt or divide. I again want to tell you thanks for writing and working. One day we will meet. Until then, like the song says, We’ll work til Jesus comes.

Bro ________________, _____________ Baptist Church; [Phone numbers given]

III. My Reply to Letter No. 1 (August 27, 2010)

Dear Pastor ________________,

Thank you so much for your e-mail. It was a great encouragement to me to hear from a dear brother of like mind and understanding of the Word of God. Don’t worry about not getting back with me sooner. I know how it is to not have enough hours in the day to do all I want to do. That is why I am just now getting to your e-mail.

May the Lord continue to richly bless you. Don’t hesitate to call anytime with suggestions (I certainly don’t know it all and appreciate any advice a brother in Christ can offer), questions, encouragement (to me or you), or for any other reason.

For His Glory,
Brother Jerald Finney

IV. Letter No. 2. (Received on September 5, 2010 in response to the article
“Jack Schaap, First Baptist of Hammond, Heresy and Apostasy”)

Mr. Jerald Finney,

I’ve spoken to you on several occasions, I enjoyed each of them . I have one question to ask you. What does it profit the local church or churches when you constantly malign other pastors and churches especially since we believe in the Independence of the local church .As far as my King James bible says that if God can judge the congregation ( and does and will) He also will judge the man of God ( pastor/teacher.) without any of our help. I can tell through your writings that you are  equipped to take many to task , but God has not given that responsibility over to us.  Please continue to keep us informed ,stop lecturing others about church matters and their errors , you’ll be far more helpful .

Sincerely In Christ
Pastor _____________________
____________ Baptist Church

V. My Reply to Letter No. 2 (September 6, 2010)

Dear Pastor _______________,

Thank you for your letter. I  love and appreciate you.

I have answered your objections in my next article [this article] made up of pastor’s comments and my replies which will be published in a couple of days [referring to this article]. I believe that I am biblically correct in publicly confronting the publicly proclaimed issues I present in the article you reference. I believe in local church autonomy, but I also believe in freedom of religion and speech, fighting this spiritual warfare we are involved in as soldiers called by God, and seeking to save souls by proclaiming truth in the face of diabolical lies.  I have not done anything which will prevent First Baptist and Jack Schaap from preaching and teaching whatever they want, but I have warned against false teaching which has been published over the internet as well as to pastors and other believers who go to Jack Schaap and First Baptist for teaching and training. Thus, the false teaching I refer to deceives not only First Baptist, but also multitudes of others who look to this highly regarded pastor and  mega church for guidance. If you read the upcoming [this] article and still maintain your position, please let me know your reasoning. I will certainly retract, repent, and ask forgiveness for any of my positions on which one can prove to me that I am biblically wrong or out of line.

May the Lord continue to richly bless you and yours.

For His Glory,
Brother Jerald Finney

VI. Letter No. 3 (Received on August 28, 2010 in response to the article
“Jack Schaap, First Baptist of Hammond, Heresy and Apostasy”)

Take me off your list and do not send me anything else.  I am not a Schaap follower.  I do not go to Pastor’s School, Youth Conference, or Women’s Spectacular, or anything else, but I do not want to participate in the independent Baptist gossip columns.

VII. My Reply to Letter No. 3 (August 28, 2010)

Dear Mr. _____________________,

I love you in the Lord. I thank the Lord that you have not been deceived. I agree with you about participating in independent Baptist gossip columns. I do not wish to participate in them either, nor will I. However, my articles do not fit into that description. If you notice in the New Testament, Paul and other apostles pointed out the heresies and apostasy that had already crept into certain churches. He named names and specific false teachings of those he named. Our Lord and the apostles warned against, stood against, and taught against false teachers and teaching. God’s Word tells us to fight this spiritual warfare in high places (what  higher places on earth than God’s churches?). We are given our weapons and told to stand against the “wiles of the devil;” included therein are heresy and apostasy.

I put forth solid facts that  you can look at for yourself. I always include that if the matters offered are not facts, please let me know and I will recant. I did not gossip about them, but offered them to everyone, to the world, just as the propaganda from Jack Schaap to which I replied was put forth over the internet and through other sources to the world. What I do is in line with God’s instructions to his children whom He has called to be soldiers.

God’s Word explains all one needs to know about heresy and apostasy in order to spot it when he sees or hears it. Many pastors, much less other believers, have not studied the Bible and many biblical principles. As a result, when anyone and especially one who has inherited great prestige and authority, as a pastor of a mega church, begins to spread heresy and/or apostasy so smoothly and convincingly, many other pastors and believers are duped.

When such heresy and/or apostasy are left unchallenged, true New Testament churches begin to disappear at an alarming rate, and far fewer people are saved than would be saved had God’s soldiers done their duty. Sadly, most Christians have deserted their calling to be soldiers in God’s army. “As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

Please send the e-mail address and state so I can promptly honor your request to be removed. I must have the state because I send to thousands of addresses by state and I probably cannot  find your address  without the state. Thank you in advance for your courtesies in this matter.

For His Glory
Brother Jerald Finney

VIII. Pastor’s Reply to My Reply – Letter No. 3

I agree that apostasy must be preached against and exposed, but Paul and others exposed them to the local churches that they personally had or were ministering in at the time.  This is, I believe the extent of the authority given to you or any other preacher – to expose heresy within churches that you have worked directly with or are ministering with at the time.  If every preacher did that, the heresies would be exposed without mass emails and the appearance of disunity among independent Baptist.  Let me say, that I love you in the Lord as well.  I hope your ministry leads to the salvations of many and the strengthening of many Christians.

My email is ___________________ and I live in the state of ____________________.

IX. My Reply to Pastor’s Reply – Letter No. 3

Dear Pastor _______________,

Thank you for your considerate and Christian manner of response. Let me say that if I believed you to be correct in your analysis, I would recant immediately.

I believe your reasoning is incorrect for several reasons including the following:

1) Paul sent his inspired letters to particular churches. However, they were for the benefit of all churches and believers, then and now. Those writings are for sale to anyone who desires to have them. Everyone in America may possess those writings which are the inspired Word of God. Those writings contain principles for all believers and churches. Every true church and believer (of course, only God knows for sure which churches have not gone past the line and are not really churches) should have His Word, and go by the principles therein.
2) God instructs Christians to expose and stand against the wiles of the devil which include heresy and apostasy.  The basis of our understanding is to be God’s Word. I try to maintain e-mail lists that consist of churches that  claim to be “fundamental” and “Bible-believing.” Most of them are on other online lists and make the claim that they are “fundamental” and “Bible-believing.” Thus, they claim to be the type churches that God was writing to in the Bible. I point out facts. Those facts need no explanation to a knowledgeable and wise child of God as to the  biblical principles, heresies, and or apostasy involved. Sometimes I apply biblical principle(s) to those facts in order to expose heresy and/or apostasy since many believers are still on milk.
3) A church and pastor who begins to teach and train other churches and pastors especially opens itself up to biblical challenge, since the influence of that church and pastor extends far beyond that particular church body. When one of the largest fundamental Baptist churches, or the largest and most influential fundamental Baptist church, in America preaches and teaches, thousands of other churches, believers, and lost people are influenced, and the eternal fate of countless numbers of souls are affected. When such a church preaches or teaches heresy and/or apostasy to untold thousands of other believers and that teaching is available for all the world – including myself – to see, I as a believer have a biblical mandate and a God-ordained calling to stand up and be counted in this great warfare which God has chosen all believers to be involved in (See 2 Ti. 2.1-4).

I did not plan to write the article you take issue with. The Lord laid on my heart the theme of the article and then – thorough sermons I heard, unsolicited input from friends [including a good pastor friend] who knew nothing about the article God had laid on my heart, and Bible study – brought information which I had never heard before and insights thereto which He wanted me to have concerning heresy and apostasy, Dr. Jack Hyles, and Jack Schaap and which He wanted in the article. I believe He did this in order to bring to pastors’ attention biblical teaching on the subject of heresy and apostasy and the heresy and apostasy in God’s churches. I will continue with two more articles on the subject. Hopefully, some will wake up and understand the dire state of many “Bible-believing” churches in America.

In my articles, audio teachings, and books I apply biblical principles to earthly facts. If I point out heresy or apostasy, I am merely standing against the “wiles of the devil” which have invaded the highest places (“spiritual wickedness in high places”). I am attacking heresy and/or apostasy – if it comes from a Baptist church or preacher, so be it. I make clear that I am always open to Bible based reasoning and challenges. If anyone can show me that the facts I present are not accurate and/or that I am heretical in any manner, I will recant, repent, ask forgiveness, and modify my facts and/or conclusions so that they are in line with reality and/or biblical truth.

To explain this matter completely would take volumes. See my books, audio teachings, and articles.

Thank you again. Always feel free to present your point of view to me. Unlike your most Christian approach to expressing your differences with me, some attacks and/or challenges against me and my teachings are baseless, and without any type of reasoning – secular or biblical.

As you requested, your e-mail address,  _________________,  has been REMOVED from my _____________ list.

For His Glory,
Brother Jerald Finney

X. Letter No. 4 (Received on September 4, 2010 in response to the article
“Jack Schaap, First Baptist of Hammond, Heresy and Apostasy”)

Why should I care about anything another pastor does. Being a pastor that believes that Bible Believing Baptist Churches are autonomous means I believe that if there is a problem at First Baptist of Hammond, Indiana, it is to be taken care of in that Church and that Church alone. Independent Baptist Churches are not part of a convention. Therefore, you have no say in the affairs of that Church, unless you are a member of it.

Please take me off of your email list. Thank you very much.

Pastor _______________________

XI. My Reply to Letter No. 4

Dear Pastor ______________________,

In love, I offer this reply. Every individual, family, church, and civil government has free will and is autonomous. However, that does not mean that when an individual, family, church, or civil government publicly teaches heresy and/or apostasy that no one should exercise his free will and point out the errors being published. Untold numbers of souls are being lost because most pastors and believers do not understand that Christians are called by God to stand against the “wiles of the devil,” including heresy and apostasy.

God’s Word warns against false teaching. If a son of God does not see a warning or principle in the Bible, God will bring a Nathan, an Ananias, a Phebe, a Paul (as to Peter – see Ga. 2) to see if he will listen. Peter got hold of Mark, and it was several years before the Apostle Paul got hold of him. Mark got right with God and when he did, God used him. (2 Ti. 4.11). Sadly, despite the warnings, many Christians and churches, as did Israel, “turn back and tempt God, and limit the Holy One of Israel” (See Ps. 78.31). The hope is that when God issues a clear warning, some will listen.

A great man of God told me that although he and many of the pastors he knows have practiced biblical covenant marriage in their ministries, they have not completely understood the issue of covenant (biblical covenant includes God as a party) versus state contract marriage. He commented that I explained the matter in God Betrayed. I am a Bible believing lawyer whose standard for all matters is the Word of God. Once I researched the law on the marriage of man and woman and the law on church (the church being the wife of Christ) incorporation and 501(c)(3) and applied biblical principles to those matters, I saw some things which a pastor cannot see since he is not trained in the law and has not researched legal history. I was sent to help those pastors who do not think they know it all and will listen concerning certain matters for which the Lord has given me special insights.

Your letter (without identification) will appear in an upcoming article along with letters from other pastors and my responses. By reading my articles, those letters, and my responses, one can learn why God desires His children to stand against heresy and apostasy.

Please send your state and e-mail address(es) you wish to be removed, and I will promptly honor your request. Since I send to thousands of addresses by state, I must have the state as well as the e-mail address in order to remove an address.

For His Glory,
Jerald Finney

XII. Letter No. 5 (September 1, 2010 in response to the article
“Jack Schaap, First Baptist of Hammond, Heresy and Apostasy”)

While I am not disputing your article, I am wondering why you think it necessary to attack a man who pastors a different church than the one you are a member of?  While I certainly do not agree with Jack, I am not going to attempt to raise my stature by putting my foot on his head.  He is the pastor of an independent Baptist church, duly called by its members, and not under our headship or our control.  Have we run out of Catholics, Adventists, Mormons and other cults that we must now shoot our own soldiers?  I am not trying to attack you or the good work you are doing, but Jack, no matter what his faults may be, is “another man’s servant.”

XIII. My Reply to Letter No. 5 (September 2, 2010)

Dear Sir,

The Lord called me into this ministry. I am not a pastor, but I am a soldier in the army of God who will go wherever He directs me. Jack Schaap does not restrict himself and his teachings to his church. He and his teaching are all over the internet. He trains many pastors from other churches. In other words, he is trying to convert others outside his church to his way of thinking. Therefore, it is my duty as a soldier in God’s army to confront his false teaching.

Our Lord instructed us to stand against the wiles of the devil by putting on the “whole armour of God” (See Ep. 6.1018; study those verses in context of the Word of God to understand more about this matter). He warned us against false teachers. The Lord himself, while on earth and then through Paul, Peter, John, Jude, and other believers then and since confronted false theologies and teachers that had already crept into the churches. Our Lord’s principles and their application did not end with the apostles and the first church members. We are to continue the spiritual warfare that our Lord began and the apostles and true and knowledgeable believers then and since have engaged in.

The article you comment on goes a long way to answering your question. Perhaps you should read the article and my other articles which deal with heresy and apostasy again. I will be answering your arguments in a future article which will deal with Pastor’s comments and my replies [this article]. It appears that many men of God have never considered what the Word of God has to say about false teachers, heresy, apostasy, and our duties – under God and the guidelines in His Word – as soldiers, called by Him, to fight spiritual warfare “against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”

Spiritual wickedness is found not only within the cults. It has proliferated within our “fundamental” churches like a wildfire. God called me to operate on this front in 2005. I know of others who are called to other fronts to fight against certain cults and religions. I cannot do everything, but I can do what God called me to do. I also faithfully attend a fundamental Bible-believing Baptist church, through which I give my tithes and  offerings, do street preaching, door to door evangelism, etc.

I will write no more here. To fully answer your question would require days. Read my articles on heresy and apostasy (Two more will soon be published). Hopefully you will grow to understand that fighting a limited spiritual warfare is not God’s desire for His army. He wants his children and soldiers to advance on all fronts, as I pointed out in the article. Because Christians have not proceeded with knowledge, understanding, and wisdom as individuals, families, churches, and within the nation, individuals, families, churches, and American civil government are now experiencing the tragic consequences, true churches are dying, and far fewer people, as a percentage, are being saved.

For His Glory,
Brother Jerald Finney

XIV. Letter No. 6 (Received on August 28, 2010 in response to the article
“Jack Schaap, First Baptist of Hammond, Heresy and Apostasy”)

Thank you for being the police of fundamentalism.  if you dont like Schaap Dont go to Pastors School. If you are a member of FBC hammond then complain. But dont send me your junk mail, Please

_____________________

XV. My Reply to Letter No. 6

 [I copied and pasted another of my responses and e-mailed it to this person. and asked him to send his state and the e-mail address(es) he wanted removed so that I could promptly honor his request.]

Sincerely,
Jerald Finney

XVI. Letter No. 7 (Received on August 14, 2010 in response to the article
“On Jack Hyles’ Sermon, The Treasure is in a Field”)

The man has been dead for eight years. Why in the world would you dredge this up. I have read you commentary on it and quite frankly would think you have better things to do with your time  than this. Whether you are right or wrong, that’s not the issue. The issue is the last word has to end with you seeing that Brother Hyles has no way of defending his point either way since he has been dead for eight years. Forward. No. Take me off your email list. Yes. Thank you.

Pastor __________________, Hyles Anderson College, class of __________.

PS Learn your grammar it would be Hyles’s not Hyles’. The apostrophe would be used like that primarily with Biblical figures as in Moses’ and Jesus’ not with names now. “Although names ending in s or an s sound are not required to have the second s added in possessive form, it is preferred.” I know it is not required but preferred.

XVII. My Reply to Letter No. 7

Dear Mr. _________________,

Thank you for your e-mail response and for the grammar lesson. I apologize for the misunderstanding. I reread the article and, after many reviews, still do not see that I was attacking Dr. Hyles. In fact, I praised him and said some very complimentary things about him. What I was doing was to take issue with a very important matter brought up in Dr. Hyles’ referenced sermon. Dr. Hyles published the sermon for the world to read. He was wrong, according to the Bible, about a very important matter.

You did not say that I was wrong about what he said in his sermon. My main point was that he was wrong as to the “main cause for divorce in our country, and the main cause for church splits and church troubles in your country.” I then went on to give the real main cause for those problems.

My articles and other teachings address a preeminent issue in the spiritual warfare which is going on in our churches, an issue that is near and dear to the heart of the Lord Jesus Christ. In His Word, He gives us the reasons for the problems Dr. Hyles mentioned. Our Bible believing churches are going under at an alarming rate, more and more Christians are remaining carnal spiritual babies, marriages are being  broken, the godly family is disappearing, etc. because Churches and Christians simply are not standing on the truths of God’s Word. I address those problems, as led by my Lord and Savior, in my teachings.

I have the right to criticize the sermon because it was preached by an evangelist in the church I attend and is also published on the internet. I believe that any believer has a right to confront heresy which is presented to him and the entire Christian community in churches all over the nation and over the internet.

I can think of nothing more important or compelling to do.

I will promptly remove you from my list if you will send me your state. I cannot remove you without the state because I send to thousands of addresses, by state. However, I ask you to reconsider since my next article will be a follow-up on this article.

For His Glory,
Jerald Finney, born again believer, BBA, JD

XVIII. Letter No. 8 (Received on June 1, 2010 in appreciation for articles on heresy and apostasy)

I appreciate your series of articles, especially this one [this was three months before the articles on heresy and apostasy].  I don’t know enough to proclaim your teachings “right” or “wrong”, but they make sense.  My undergrad degree is in Accounting, so I’m not a total neophyte.

We’re a young church and meet in a rented building now, but may need to cross the bridge of getting a permanent building soon, so these are timely articles.

____________________ (____________@uno.com)

XIX. My Reply to Letter No. 8 (June 1, 2010)

Dear Pastor ___________________,

Thanks for your comment. Feel free to contact me should you have any insights, recommendations, questions, etc. I never charge for anything I do in this ministry.

For His Glory,
Brother Jerald Finney

XX. Letter No. 9 (Received on May 22, 2010 in response to article
“Your conviction to incorporate God’s church or not”)

Bro Finney,

I need to know how to organize our church the way you are recommending.  What is required?  How do we get started?  We are going to be needing church property and I don’t want to wait until the last minute.   As you have time please advise.

Info:

Name: ____________________ Baptist Church
Address: ________________________________
Status: We were organized 501c3 in 2000 but administratively dissolved in 2001 for failure to file
Membership: _____ Adults
Attendance: 65-70 currently
Property: We own _________________
I would be glad to provide any other information.

Servant to the King of kings,
______________________
Pastor, __________________ Baptist Church

XXI. My Reply to Letter No. 9 (May 22, 2010)

Dear Pastor _______________,

It is a great blessing to hear of another church who is prospering spiritually and desires to do things in a manner which honors our Lord.

I would be glad to discuss this matter with you. I charge nothing and receive nothing for my help in these matters.

One should  not attempt to do these things himself. The whole system used is totally legal and is in place in many churches who are now operating as New Testament  churches under the Lord Jesus Christ only.

I just tried to call you, but got no answer.  I have a trial set for Monday, so it would be better to talk with you later next week. I tried to call the number you gave, but got no answer. If you had answered, I was going to suggest that we talk about this late next week when my trial will be over. I will answer any questions or concerns you may have when we talk.

May the Lord continue to richly bless you and _____________________ Baptist Church.

For His Glory,
Brother Jerald Finney

XXII. Letter No. 10 (Received on May 18, 2009 in response to article
“Your conviction to incorporate God’s church or not”)

Bro. Finney,

Appreciate the articles I’ve been rec’ing. Wonder if you could check out this web site and the church and a special symposium day on law. The site is glbbc.org and the organization is Rochester Law. What do you think about this? Sounds  a little fishy.

Thanks

XXIII. My Reply to Letter No. 10 (May 18, 2010)

Dear Pastor _____________________,

Thanks for your e-mail. It was a great encouragement to me. I checked out the site and tried to go to the details by clicking “Click Her for More Details” on the June 19 Law Symposium. I got no response to that click. I can only hope that the symposium is not the same old legal disinformation that thousands of churches continue to propogate.

Thanks again. If you find out more about it, please let me know.

May the Lord continue to richly bless you!

For His Glory,
Bro. Jerald Finney

XXIV. Note

God Betrayed/Separation of Church and State: The Biblical Principles and the American Application (Link to preview of God Betrayed): may be ordered from Amazon by clicking the following link: God Betrayed on Amazon.com or from Barnes and Nobel by clicking the following link: God Betrayed on Barnes and Noble. All books by Jerald Finney as well as many of the books he has referenced and read may also be ordered by left clicking “Books” (on the “Church and State Law” website) or directly from Amazon by going to the following links: (1) Render Unto God the Things that Are His: A Systematic Study of Romans 13 and Related Verses (Kindle only); (2) The Most Important Thing: Loving God and/or Winning Souls (Kindle only); (3) Separation of Church and State/God’s Churches: Spiritual or Legal Entities? (Link to preview of Separation of Church and State/God’s Churches: Spiritual or Legal Entities?) which can also be ordered by clicking the following Barnes and Noble link: Separation of Church and State on Barnes and Noble.

XXV. Links to Internal Revenue Code Laws

You can read portions of the following Internal Revenue Code laws which pertain to churches and pastors by going to the following site: “Laws Protecting New Testament Churches in the United States: Read Them for Yourself”; or you may read an entire law online by clicking the following links:

1. § 501(c)(3). Exemption from tax on corporations, certain trusts, etc.
2. § 508. Special rules with respect to section 501(c)(3) organizations
3. § 7611. Restrictions on church tax inquiries and examinations
4. § 1402. [Dealing with taxes on income of pastors]
5. § 107. Rental value of parsonages
6. § 102. Gifts and inheritances (Tithes and offerings are gifts and, therefore, according to the Internal Revenue Code § 102, not income)
7.
§ 2503. Taxable gifts
8. § 170. Charitable, etc., contributions and gifts

XV. Note

The Biblical Law Center helps churches to organize as New Testament churches completely out from under civil government and under God only. See churchandstatelaw.com for contact information for Jerald Finney, counsel for the Biblical Law Center. This is a ministry, not a business enterprise. Jerald Finney has made no profit at all in this endeavor of Christian love, but rather has expended much of his own money for God’s glory, in attempting to provide information and service for God’s churches.

All conclusions in this article are opinions of the author. Please do not attempt to act in the legal system if you are not a lawyer, even if you are a born-again Christian. Many questions and finer points of the law and the interpretation of the law cannot be properly understood by a simple facial reading of a civil law. For a born-again Christian to understand American law, litigation, and the legal system as well as spiritual matters within the legal system requires years of study and practice of law as well as years of study of Biblical principles, including study of the Biblical doctrines of government, church, and separation of church and state. You can always find a lawyer or Christian who will agree with the position that an American church should become incorporated and get 501(c)(3) status. Jerald Finney will discuss the matter, as time avails, with any such person, with confidence that his position is supported by God’s Word, history, and law. He is always willing, free of charge and with love, to support his belief that for a church to submit herself to civil government in any manner grieves our Lord and ultimately results in undesirable consequences. He does not have unlimited time to talk to individuals. However, he will teach or debate groups, and will point individuals to resources which fully explain his positions.

About Jerald Finney: The author is a Christian first and a lawyer second. He has no motive to mislead you. In fact, his motivation is to tell you the truth about this matter, and he guards himself against temptation on this and other issues by doing all he does at no charge. He does not seek riches. His motivation is his love for God first and for others second. His goal is the Glory of God. Jerald Finney has been saved since 1982. God called him to go to law school for His Glory. In obedience, Finney entered the University of Texas School of Law in 1990, was licensed and began to practice law, for the Glory of God, in November of 1993.  To learn more about the author click the following link: About Jerald Finney.

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